I have switched to Radians to get back to where we were with SW4048’s. Also split phase and Optics make a good package. Heavy and wiring are a nuisance but reliability has been good and the few issues solved with board or module swaps. BUT with Outback in Limbo ?????
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 5:14 PM Todd Cory via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > One of the unfortunate changes from the SW to FX /FXR inverter > architecture was the elimination of two AC inputs. The whole point of a > battery based inverter is for backup power, so this becomes a huge issue > when a grid tied system has a grid outage long enough to > necessitate generator charging. > > That is why people either opt for an external Iota style charger, or the > famous "DT Kludge", which is what I have on my home system for those rare > times when I need generator charging. > > Todd > > > > > On Thursday, October 24, 2024 4:55pm, "Bradley Bassett via RE-wrenches" < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> said: > > As I remember the FXR inverters will rarely connect to any generators > beside very well controlled or inverter type generators. I agree that I > don't think there is any automatic transfer from grid tie to generator > input. > Brad Bassett > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 3:42 PM Wayne Irwin via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > >> It is my understanding that the FXR will not "automatically" switch from >> Grid Input to Gen. >> To my knowledge this is a manual option only. >> I do not recall any way to make this happen automatically. That would >> have been great. >> You can however still call for the generator at a low V setting and have >> the generator power an external charger to boost the batteries. >> I think the brand we used to use was IOTA however, I have also seen golf >> cart chargers used. >> Wayne Irwin >> President >> License #CVC56695 >> State Licensed Solar Contractor >> Pure Energy Solar International Inc. >> wa...@pureenergysolar.com >> PureEnergySolar.com <http://pureenergysolar.com/> >> SolarChargingStation.com <http://solarchargingstation.com/> >> 352 377-6527 Office >> 352 336-3299 Fax >> >> >> The Sun Is Always Shining! >> >> The content of this message is Pure Energy Solar Confidential. If you are >> not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, any use >> or distribution is prohibited. Please notify me immediately by reply e-mail >> and delete this message from your computer system. Thank you. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> on >> behalf of Jay via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2024 5:57 PM >> *To:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> >> *Cc:* Jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] New Outback FXR Series as GTGBB on existing >> Off Grid Home >> >> Hi Jeremy >> There are two issues I think. >> 1 is that the inverter won’t connect. >> And I don’t have an answer why the inverter won’t in sell mode but will >> in gen mode. Maybe the generator is slightly out of the more narrow window >> for grid. I presume you’ve checked hz and volts and they are in spec for >> grid? I know sometimes the frequency control can be slightly variable >> without a load. I’ve had success in the past getting inverters to connect >> to a generator with putting some dumb loads on it. Like incandescent lights >> or small heater. >> 2. Maybe it’s a good thing it won’t because if it did connect wouldn’t it >> be possible for the inverter to try to sell to the generator? If you >> didn’t have to change grid to Gen? >> Jay >> >> On Oct 23, 2024, at 8:47 PM, Jeremy Rodriguez via RE-wrenches < >> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: >> >> Wrenches, >> We have a client that has brought utility power in and we now have the >> system hooked up to the utility. >> In setting the system up, I've experienced that the inverter will sell >> and function fine with all the settings set up as* Grid Tied* mode, but >> it does not play nice when the grid is gone , and the Generator is brought >> in as the AC source. >> We have installed an external transfer switch to switch the inverters' AC >> input, from either the utility or the existing backup generator ( if the >> grid fails), automatically. >> The manual states that the inverter's two input selections can be >> programmed for seperate input modes, via the* Input* *Type* menu. Ive >> not been able to get this accomplished. >> When simulating a grid outage, thus changing the AC input to the inverter >> being from the Generator, the inverter will not synch to the AC power to >> charge the batteries. >> The only way that I can get the inverter to synch, is to switch the input >> mode to *GEN* from *GRID.* >> This is not ideal since the client would need to be present to make the >> button push, even though the generator will be started automatically if the >> grid were to go down (hopefully) , just as it did before. >> >> With no way to contact Outback , can someone advise how to properly >> program the inverter/ MATE3S for this project? >> Equipment onsite: >> Single VFXR3648 inverter >> Two FM60 CCs >> Hub4 >> MATE3S >> ATS with Dual Relays 50A >> L.A. Battery bank >> Here's how we would like it to work: >> Utility power ON: >> Sell excess power once the batteries have gone through the Absorb cycle. >> Batteries remain full in case of a utility failure. >> Utility Outage: >> ATS now feeds Inv AC input via Generator if needed. >> Inverter runs the home as it did , off grid. >> If the battery voltage drops and the AGS is engaged, the inverter will >> use that input to charge the batteries as usual. If the grid comes back on >> and the gen is running, the generator can still run, with no connection to >> the inverter. With the grid now charging the battery bank, and the AGS >> will enventually shut off the Gen. 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