Hey Scott,

If you're looking for a "test" area that will help you know if this nutty 
idea works for you or not, I'd suggest sleeping on the floor (if that can 
be done in a way conducive with whatever your family life is). When I 
switched, my wife switched too, so that made it a non-issue. Sleeping on 
the floor gives you 1/3rd of the day natural and unsupported. It may make 
your sleep worse for a week or so before your body adjusts to it, then it 
will improve from there. If you need a pillow to start, use one -- plenty 
of time to allow your body to catch up and loosen up before you lose the 
pillow. But it is very freeing to be able to lie down anywhere and have 
portable pillows in your arms. A bit quirky, but you may find this link 
helpful: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119282/.

If sleeping is not conducive to family life, or you want to do what you can 
in addition to sleeping on the floor, then simply sit on the floor (without 
leaning on a wall) as much as possible rather than a chair. It will be 
harder to get 8 hours a day that way, but that will also work on your core 
in a way that sleeping doesn't. Again, it will be challenging and take 3 
months to get really comfortable with it, but you will be amazed at the 
improvements along the way well before then.

If you experience matches mine, you will start to feel limber and lithe and 
rejuvenated in a way you didn't realize you were missing. It really is 
amazing.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:19:02 AM UTC-6, Skenry wrote:
>
> I guess I have have a question about "floor living" in general.  As this 
> is the first I've ever really heard of it.   I have one on those big yoga 
> balls that I sit on sometimes instead of a chair and stretch on it 
> sometimes too.
>
> A little background, my back hurts a lot, neck and knees too.  Being a 
> firefighter its always just been par for the course and I haven't put much 
> thought into it other than a few pills now and again.  
>
> If I wanted to give this a go, what might be a good place to start...
> Floor sitting?
> Floor sleeping?
> Something else?
>
> I can't say i'm sold, but I'm intrigued?
> Scott 
>
> Cheers,
> Scott Henry
> Dayton, OH
>
> FTM-PTB
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> <lamon...@mac.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> I know I've mentioned this before, but sitting on the floor without 
>> chairs or back rest (like you're out in the woods) works your core all the 
>> time, so you don't have to do core exercises. Takes a few months to get 
>> proficient at it, and it inherently means shifting positions every 20-40 
>> minutes or so, but cushioned furniture is as bad for us as cushioned 
>> supportive shoes.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 26, 2013 8:24:04 PM UTC-6, Don Compton wrote:
>>>
>>> It was a revelation to meet Grant P. and talk to him about fit, bikes, 
>>> and just riding in general. That was 8 years ago. Well, after sliding away 
>>> from the gym( just lazy and nothing to do  with Grant) and all my core 
>>> workouts, I am really paying the price. My back cannot hack any significant 
>>> effort on the bike, even on my Riv. I am finally back to the gym working on 
>>> my core, balance, and flexibility.
>>> Bottom line, at 61 I can't take this stuff for granted( pun not 
>>> intended).
>>> Don C.
>>>
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