Thanks, Patrick -- much good information here. I will archive this
conversation and go back and read it at more leisure. (MUST get back to
work. Must get back to work ...)
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com> wrote:
> Well, Patrick, I'm no posture expert, but rather a n=6 experiment (our
> whole family). As Christopher mentions, one of the keys is not sitting
> still, but naturally shifting as needed. This is what has the core
> constantly engaged: moving and working and adjusting. Cross-legged: I'll
> shift around between half lotus, full cross and other variations. Kneeling
> on my floor kneeler (an oak, unpadded kneeler with just enough room for my
> lower legs/feet under it) is the position I hold the longest (hours), but
> there are constant shiftings happening. On the rare occasions I have sat in
> a chair with my legs down ("normal" chair position), I notice how hard it
> is to feel stable and solid. On those occasions I've sat for no more than
> 30 seconds before opting for standing or squatting elsewhere.
>
> Standing: as with everything else, this takes time to strengthen into.
> Shifting, including micro-shifts, is an inherent part of it. At least for
> me, being barefoot or leather soled moccasined is critical -- otherwise my
> feet do not get the proprioceptive feedback they need. Thick carpet messes
> me up (but interestingly, thick loamy beds of moss and/or pine needles do
> not.
>
> My posture has dramatically improved since I've begun floor living, but I
> stopped needing the walking sticks about the same time and I know I was
> hunched over more using them (having to lean forward for my other two
> "legs" weighing 4 pounds each). I think we over emphasize the inward
> curviture of the lower spine (lumbar). Mine is most solid and strong when
> straight, but that could just be me.
>
> Sleeping on the floor, pillow free, makes a big difference with my neck
> and back, both of which were pretty messed up from the various incidents of
> injury to my noggin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:14:39 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Patrick: If you have any insights into the followingI'd be interested to
>> hear them.
>>
>> I've wondered the same thing, namely whether simply sitting up straight
>> without leaning against anything does something positive for your trunk
>> muscles. I used to say my prayers sitting cross legged on the floor, but
>> gave that up after years of it told me that even practice won't let me keep
>> my legs crossed form more than 15 minutes without one of them going numb
>> (now I use a good rocker). But I sit at a computer too many damned hours a
>> day, but I (try to) sit upright without leaning forward or back, and I
>> wonder if this posture is at least minimally harmful.
>>
>> At any rate, thank God, my back doesn't bother me, though as I age my
>> neck gets more sensitive.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I know I've mentioned this before, but sitting on the floor without
>>> chairs or back rest (like you're out in the woods) works your core all the
>>> time, so you don't have to do core exercises. Takes a few months to get
>>> proficient at it, and it inherently means shifting positions every 20-40
>>> minutes or so, but cushioned furniture is as bad for us as cushioned
>>> supportive shoes.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 26, 2013 8:24:04 PM UTC-6, Don Compton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was a revelation to meet Grant P. and talk to him about fit, bikes,
>>>> and just riding in general. That was 8 years ago. Well, after sliding away
>>>> from the gym( just lazy and nothing to do with Grant) and all my core
>>>> workouts, I am really paying the price. My back cannot hack any significant
>>>> effort on the bike, even on my Riv. I am finally back to the gym working on
>>>> my core, balance, and flexibility.
>>>> Bottom line, at 61 I can't take this stuff for granted( pun not
>>>> intended).
>>>> Don C.
>>>>
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