well said Bill.  While baggy shorts and Exofficio briefs work well for me 
on more casual rides or tours, a long warm weather ride where I'm going at 
a good pace for me means good quality lycra shorts. I do prefer a thin pad 
and simple black color. Winter is wool knickers from Ibex or Ground Effect 
from NZ.

For baggies, I do like climbing shorts with their stretchy fabric like the 
Kuhl Renegades or OR Contour's. The Riv baggies are too baggy for my taste 
and don't stretch.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.



On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:55:01 AM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
> "I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from 
> Walnut Creek."
>
> I think Grant is a LOT less "anti" than people seem to think.  What's the 
> worst thing Grant has ever said about padded bike shorts?  In my 
> experience, the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his 
> use of the term "diaper".  I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it 
> is insulting, and unnecessarily mean.  Mark Abele wears regular padded 
> bicycle shorts and I would bet a dollar that Grant does not insult Mark or 
> Mark's clothing when he rolls in.  "Hey Mark!  Nice DIAPER!"  I just don't 
> see that happening.  
>
> Grant's true stance, as I understand it, is not "anti-padded-shorts". 
>  Grant is "anti-the-industry-telling-you-that-you-MUST-wear-padded-shorts". 
>  Grant emphatically tells you to wear what works for you.  Grant tells you 
> to wear what you've got.  Grant tells you that you don't have to think that 
> you need to wear a bicycle uniform to operate a bicycle.  If you want to 
> wear bike clothes, go ahead.  Just don't feel like you have to apologize to 
> anyone if you want to ride your bike in Birkenstocks and board shorts.  You 
> don't need a walking uniform, so you don't need a bicycle uniform.  First 
> and foremost it is YOUR choice, and don't let anyone choose for you. 
>  That's what Grant says.  
>
> Maybe I'm wrong about it, but on this topic I think many people 
> misunderstand Grant's position.  I believe that misunderstanding is part of 
> what earns Grant the largely unfair reputation as a retro-grouch.  He's not 
> the least grouchy man I've met, but he's definitely on the "less grouchy" 
> end of the spectrum, in my book.  Stubborn on many things, sure. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>>
>> What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or 
>> English, etc.
>>  
>> I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from 
>> Walnut Creek.
>>  
>> But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without 
>> sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a 
>> squeegee. Ouch!!
>>  
>> I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a 
>> thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding 
>> posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to 
>> speak.
>>  
>> Thanks for any advice.
>>
>

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