"I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from 
Walnut Creek."

I think Grant is a LOT less "anti" than people seem to think.  What's the 
worst thing Grant has ever said about padded bike shorts?  In my 
experience, the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his 
use of the term "diaper".  I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it 
is insulting, and unnecessarily mean.  Mark Abele wears regular padded 
bicycle shorts and I would bet a dollar that Grant does not insult Mark or 
Mark's clothing when he rolls in.  "Hey Mark!  Nice DIAPER!"  I just don't 
see that happening.  

Grant's true stance, as I understand it, is not "anti-padded-shorts". 
 Grant is "anti-the-industry-telling-you-that-you-MUST-wear-padded-shorts". 
 Grant emphatically tells you to wear what works for you.  Grant tells you 
to wear what you've got.  Grant tells you that you don't have to think that 
you need to wear a bicycle uniform to operate a bicycle.  If you want to 
wear bike clothes, go ahead.  Just don't feel like you have to apologize to 
anyone if you want to ride your bike in Birkenstocks and board shorts.  You 
don't need a walking uniform, so you don't need a bicycle uniform.  First 
and foremost it is YOUR choice, and don't let anyone choose for you. 
 That's what Grant says.  

Maybe I'm wrong about it, but on this topic I think many people 
misunderstand Grant's position.  I believe that misunderstanding is part of 
what earns Grant the largely unfair reputation as a retro-grouch.  He's not 
the least grouchy man I've met, but he's definitely on the "less grouchy" 
end of the spectrum, in my book.  Stubborn on many things, sure. 

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or 
> English, etc.
>  
> I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from 
> Walnut Creek.
>  
> But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without 
> sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a 
> squeegee. Ouch!!
>  
> I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a 
> thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding 
> posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to 
> speak.
>  
> Thanks for any advice.
>

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