Agreed. I normally ride anywhere from 66-69cm bikes. I love my Rivs for the 
ride quality. But if I'm doing a metric or a double-metric century w/thousands 
of feet in climbing on New England hills where there's a lot of 8-12% grades 
all the time, I'm taking my Roubaix (64cm, 18.2lbs), or a Seven (67cm, 19 lbs), 
or a Calfee (69cm, 19.8lbs w/disc brakes). If for no other reason that I can 
ride at a fast clip, but still enjoy the company of others, occasionally pass 
some people, and never quite run out of gas. This mostly comes into play on any 
long climb, where, even though I'm old, tall, heavy-ish, and relatively slow, I 
can get by w/ Cytomax as fuel and keep the cool kids in sight. 

IMHO, lighter is always righter. 

RGZ

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On Jan 13, 2013, at 9:54 AM, eflayer <eddie.fla...@att.net> wrote:

> You might try a 16.5 lb Specialized Roubaix and let us know what you think 
> about that :). Mine weighs about 4 lbs less than my lightest steel bike. I 
> still like steel a ton, but for pure fast club road rides, the Roubaix is 
> more fun in most ways.
> On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote:
> I spend about equal time on my Sam Hillborne and my Soma Double Cross. To 
> abbreviate the way they're normally set up, the Sam's got a 40/24 12-36 
> drivetrain, 35c Soma New Xpress tires, front rack/basket/Shopsack. The Soma's 
> got a 48/34 11-34 drivetrain, 35c Schwalbe Marathon Racers, front rack, front 
> and rear Sackville bags. 
> 
> Anyway, I always assumed that my Soma was kind of a lightweight go-fast bike 
> with it's fancy Tange Prestige tubing and slightly more aggressive geometry 
> (shorter chain stays anyway). Compared to the Sam, it just takes off like 
> crazy and feels incredibly quick and nimble. Lo-and-behold, I got one of 
> those hook scale things today, and the total weight of each bike was 35lbs 
> for the Sam and 31lbs for the Soma. 
> 
> I thought it was the weight that explained the difference in feel, but 
> clearly that's not the case. Both are equally pleasurable to ride, but there 
> must be far more factors involved in the overall "feel" of each bike than I 
> might have guessed. 
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