Riv's always preferred plastic fenders and used zip ties or the supplied
sliding brake hole mount option.  The threaded mount is more appropriate
when mounting metal fenders which have only in the last few years really
become a popular choice.

Similar deal with the kickstand plate--demand wasn't there and Grant only
gradually moved further away from the roadie concept that kickstands are
unnecessary weight.

Compare the Heron Road and early custom Rivs to what's available now--Riv
has moved from basically massaged versions of B-stones (Riv Road and Heron
Road = RB, Heron touring and all 'rounder = RB-T and XO) to increasingly
tour and dirt capable country bikes with plentiful wide-tired and fender
clearance where high bars, kickstands are more accepted, and more fender
options are easily accommodated.

Steve

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Peter Pesce <petepe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's my point. Riv actively ADVOCATES for putting fenders on your bike,
> so it makes no sense to me that they'd omit mounting points for fenders any
> more than they'd omit clearances for them. And there are any number of
> things you could do to offset the cost of a fender boss or drilling. I'll
> give up $5 of fancy paint for proper fender mounting, for starters.
>
> On Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21:09 AM UTC-4, MichaelH wrote:
>>
>> I'll bet there are a lot more people who want threads for fenders than
>> want a bracket for a kickstand, or for that matter a second top tube on a
>> mid size bike.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:08:49 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> Things like that add cost.  As the costs add up the prices go up.  As
>>> prices go up sales go down.  As sales go down profits go down.  As profits
>>> go down businesses go down.  It's a matter of finding that sweet spot where
>>> Riv can manage to stay in business over the long haul.  I expect they have
>>> considered that feature as well as many others, and they had to rule it
>>> out.  It's not like Grant and company wouldn't have thought of it.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:05:24 AM UTC-4, Peter Pesce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wondered the same thing  - my QB does not have a threaded brake
>>>> bridge and I was pretty surprised when I discovered that. I had to zip tie
>>>> my rear fender onto the brake bridge because the crimp-on bracket thingy
>>>> was costing me about 1cm in clearance...
>>>>
>>>> Why wouldn't this be an absolute no-brainer on every Riv made?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> On Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21:09 AM UTC-4, MichaelH wrote:
>>
>> I'll bet there are a lot more people who want threads for fenders than
>> want a bracket for a kickstand, or for that matter a second top tube on a
>> mid size bike.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:08:49 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> Things like that add cost.  As the costs add up the prices go up.  As
>>> prices go up sales go down.  As sales go down profits go down.  As profits
>>> go down businesses go down.  It's a matter of finding that sweet spot where
>>> Riv can manage to stay in business over the long haul.  I expect they have
>>> considered that feature as well as many others, and they had to rule it
>>> out.  It's not like Grant and company wouldn't have thought of it.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:05:24 AM UTC-4, Peter Pesce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wondered the same thing  - my QB does not have a threaded brake
>>>> bridge and I was pretty surprised when I discovered that. I had to zip tie
>>>> my rear fender onto the brake bridge because the crimp-on bracket thingy
>>>> was costing me about 1cm in clearance...
>>>>
>>>> Why wouldn't this be an absolute no-brainer on every Riv made?
>>>>
>>>>
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