I put Honjos on my Riv without much fuss or muss. I have also used Berthoud 
fenders on another bike and they went on pretty easy as well. The VO 
fenders I have used were always a bit more work to get installed. I am not 
sure why since all of the parts involved seem pretty similar. 

On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 7:31:16 AM UTC-4, MichaelH wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience.  I have been considering reinstalling 
> the Honjos on my Rambouillet with the El brackets.  Mine have been quite 
> stable for six or seven years now, but the classic daruma in front takes up 
> a lot of space, and an L braket mounted under the brake bridge, with the 
> nuts inside the fender, does the same in the rear.  I'd love to at least 
> have the option for slightly larger tires.  Good to hear from a second 
> person with a positive experience.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:50:03 AM UTC-4, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:
>>
>> Brace yourselves, for the post is long!
>>
>> (and cathartic)
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> For the past couple weeks I've been tinkering around with my VO aluminum 
>> fenders every now and then on my new Hillborne. After only a couple of 
>> adjustments I got the front one "clear" and stable. The rear one has proved 
>> more tedious. I never quite got it clear and stable at the same time. 
>> Always a little scrape of tire-hairs or a "tick" of something shifting 
>> around. I didn't have this problem with a prior build with identical pieces 
>> involved; it was annoying.
>>
>> Tonight I just figured I'd reset things. I replaced the supposedly 
>> easy-to-install "crimp"-style hanger-bracket with a two-holes-and-a-slot 
>> L-bracket to mount the fender near the seatstays/brake bridge. I had to 
>> carefully position and drill two holes, which had initially put me off the 
>> whole thing. But really it turns out that, for me anyway, drilling those 
>> holes was a lot more easy to do properly and predictably than arranging and 
>> crimping the other style bracket. I must've just gotten lucky on my 
>> previous build, whose fenders remain quiet and stable after several 
>> thousand miles. But my new bike's rear fender, with it's new bracket, is 
>> really solid and has more consistent clearance all around than my other 
>> one. I'm going to do the same thing to the old bike at some point. For now, 
>> though, I just like knowing there's a more controllable, predictable way to 
>> get fenders mounted without compromising their clearance.
>>
>> *Maybe* the wrap-around crimp-style bracket is easier to install. But IMO 
>> it's *definitely* easier to install badly.
>>
>> When it comes to rear fenders, the two-hole, one slot L-bracket is your 
>> friend. Even better would be a three-hole version, if and only if the third 
>> hole's positioned properly for your frame and fender.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Thomas Lynn Skean
>> who irrationally prefers metal fenders anyway
>>
>>

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