Now and then on hills I'll just get off and walk, which I like doing 
actually, it is relaxing.    Not that the ride isn't-   it is relaxing 
too.    


On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:03:05 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:
>
> Was that way myself until a about a year ago.  Over the past couple years 
> have been on rides with folks riding single speed (or fixed gear) bikes and 
> was jealous, for lack of a better term.  Especially on the SoCal Riv Ride 
> back in 2009.  Was really yearning for a Quickbeam by the end of the ride.  
> Decided after getting a Cross Check last year to give it a try. Had Jim 
> Thill build a wheel and put it on the bike.  And took it for a ride.  Then 
> another.  Then another.  I liked it.  A lot.  
>
> There are some limitations with my single speed riding - climbing is 
> slower and will often look for alternate route rather than heading for 
> steep hills.  Then again can probably get around 90 percent of the Twin 
> Cities metro area without having to do an ugly (to me) climb.  And climbing 
> even out of my side street in winter with studded tires was more chore than 
> I'd like.  But overall, it's a fun alternative to shifting.
>  
> Plus, a single speed is a great excuse why I can't keep up with faster 
> riders.  Which is just about every body else out there.
>  
> Eric Platt
> (Counting down the days until next Monday)
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:32:22 PM UTC-5, Way Rebb wrote:
>
>> The last single speed I had was as a kid and his StingRay.  Getting a 
>> bike with gears was a revelation. I remember actually riding, not 
>> pushing the bike, up 73rd in Oakland with a big smile on my face.  I 
>> doubt, in fact I know, I'd never get a single speed. I can get the 
>> same effect by not changing gears for a while.  Maybe if it had all 
>> the braze ons for a Rohloff or something like that.  Some people seem 
>> to like them, just not for me. 
>>
>> On Apr 9, 7:11 pm, ted <ted.ke...@comcast.net> wrote: 
>> > Jim writes: "People think "single-speed" and in the same thought they 
>> > 
>> > think "beater" or "winter bike" or "bar bike" or whatever other 
>> > utilitarian, un-romantic category applies." 
>> > 
>> > I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I 
>> > wouldn't take issue with him about what "people" in the aggregate 
>> > think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed 
>> > bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the 
>> > midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of 
>> > slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I 
>> > thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better. 
>> > But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs, 
>> > moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform 
>> > pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli 
>> > bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would 
>> > have. 
>> > 
>> > I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of 
>> > the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the 
>> > rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no 
>> > conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have 
>> > you ever used snap-on tools? 
>> > 
>> > Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and 
>> > fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if 
>> > thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted 
>> > previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding 
>> > em. Of course I think lots of things are odd. 
>> > 
>> > On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com> 
>> > wrote: 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > > Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more 
>> an analog to the Hillborne than to the SO: 
>> > 
>> > > That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a 
>> geared bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except 
>> one looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price 
>> difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a 
>> similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market 
>> complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price 
>> difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to 
>> shell out for a special bike. Cool. 
>> > 
>> > > But single-speeds are different. People think "single-speed" and in 
>> the same thought they think "beater" or "winter bike" or "bar bike" or 
>> whatever other utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you 
>> look at that $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and 
>> that Surly, what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, 
>> ultimately, in the worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of 
>> single-speeds, the preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell 
>> bicycles is a drawback. And that's why I say more mundane frames like the 
>> CC make it hard to sell the QB/SO.
>
>

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