Jim writes: "People think "single-speed" and in the same thought they
think "beater" or "winter bike" or "bar bike" or whatever other
utilitarian, un-romantic category applies."

I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I
wouldn't take issue with him about what "people" in the aggregate
think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed
bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the
midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of
slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I
thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better.
But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs,
moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform
pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli
bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would
have.

I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of
the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the
rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no
conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have
you ever used snap-on tools?

Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and
fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if
thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted
previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding
em. Of course I think lots of things are odd.

On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more an 
> analog to the Hillborne than to the SO:
>
> That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a geared 
> bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except one 
> looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price 
> difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a 
> similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market 
> complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price 
> difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to 
> shell out for a special bike. Cool.
>
> But single-speeds are different. People think "single-speed" and in the same 
> thought they think "beater" or "winter bike" or "bar bike" or whatever other 
> utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you look at that 
> $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and that Surly, 
> what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, ultimately, in the 
> worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of single-speeds, the 
> preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell bicycles is a drawback. And 
> that's why I say more mundane frames like the CC make it hard to sell the 
> QB/SO.

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