The last single speed I had was as a kid and his StingRay.  Getting a
bike with gears was a revelation. I remember actually riding, not
pushing the bike, up 73rd in Oakland with a big smile on my face.  I
doubt, in fact I know, I'd never get a single speed. I can get the
same effect by not changing gears for a while.  Maybe if it had all
the braze ons for a Rohloff or something like that.  Some people seem
to like them, just not for me.

On Apr 9, 7:11 pm, ted <ted.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Jim writes: "People think "single-speed" and in the same thought they
>
> think "beater" or "winter bike" or "bar bike" or whatever other
> utilitarian, un-romantic category applies."
>
> I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I
> wouldn't take issue with him about what "people" in the aggregate
> think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed
> bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the
> midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of
> slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I
> thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better.
> But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs,
> moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform
> pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli
> bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would
> have.
>
> I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of
> the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the
> rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no
> conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have
> you ever used snap-on tools?
>
> Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and
> fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if
> thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted
> previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding
> em. Of course I think lots of things are odd.
>
> On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more an 
> > analog to the Hillborne than to the SO:
>
> > That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a geared 
> > bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except one 
> > looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price 
> > difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a 
> > similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market 
> > complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price 
> > difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to 
> > shell out for a special bike. Cool.
>
> > But single-speeds are different. People think "single-speed" and in the 
> > same thought they think "beater" or "winter bike" or "bar bike" or whatever 
> > other utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you look at 
> > that $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and that 
> > Surly, what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, ultimately, 
> > in the worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of single-speeds, 
> > the preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell bicycles is a 
> > drawback. And that's why I say more mundane frames like the CC make it hard 
> > to sell the QB/SO.

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