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This makes sense to me. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:10 PM, charlie <cl_v...@hotmail.com> wrote: > This is odd....I own a mid 80's race bike Flandria built with Campy > parts and skinny 25mm tires. I think it tips the scale at around 22 > pounds but the frame is way too light for me and the tires too narrow. > On smooth flat pavement its pretty fast but honestly I don't think any > faster than one of my heavier 26 ish pound 32-35mm tire width > machines. It seems most of any speed increase I've experienced is due > to position rather than weight. I can tell you that my recumbent is > fully 3-5 mph faster than any upright I've ever ridden now matter how > low the bars or how uncomfortable I am on it. I'm just not sure what > is actually meant by a "go fast bicycle". I would think that a 16 > pound racer with low bars to be the cats meow in that department but > I'll almost bet a Roadeo with the bars at the same height is just as > fast until maybe you get to a steep climb. But honestly does five > pounds make that much difference? Are we talking a 1/2 mph gain on the > flats or only faster climbing or what? Has anyone done any real > testing over several years and many rides with several different > configured bicycles not to mention allowing for weather and energy > levels etc? I know Grant has written of some climbing time differences > using several bicycles but I wonder what a study of say 200 exact > rides over two years would tell us....? > > > On Mar 27, 6:27 pm, Burton <burtonfl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I think of my 650B Sam as a Volvo station wagon. >> >> I don't really know for going fast, but as my commute bike I always >> thought the Sam was relatively fast. I could squeeze out my 25 mile >> commute in just a smudge under an hour and fifteen minutes, fully >> loaded with laptop, tools, clothes, whatever. That's if I was >> motivated to get home in time for dinner. >> >> Then I rode a real go fast bike for the first time--a mid 80s custom >> Bruce Gordon race bike. That thing felt like a Porsche 911 to my Sam >> Volvo 240. Now, my favorite car ever was a 240, but I never thought of >> it as fastish. >> >> On Mar 27, 11:48 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I owned a single tt Sam, 56 cm, for a few months before I decided I >> > didn't like the way it handled (mostly with a load: I hated the way it >> > wandered all over the road when twiddling seated up a steep hill with >> > a rear load). But my taste in handling apart, it is a wonderfully >> > versatile bike good for commuting, errands, touring (tho' the tubing >> > is not as stout as that of a full-on touring bike) and firm dirt >> > roads. I also own two custom riv road bikes (and sold an earlier one >> > some years ago). and I must say that, in comparison, the Sam is not a >> > go fast bike. Of course, much depends on your wheels and tires, but >> > IMO (5'10", 175, 57) the tubing is just too stout for that light steel >> > tubing feel, and the top tube too long, at least for someone of my >> > height, to get the bars low enough for the kind of fast riding I like. >> > I imagine that, with a second tt, the frame might feel even less >> > "supple". >> >> > But if I had room and money and miles for another bike, I'd have kept >> > the Sam for a recreational, unloaded/light load pavement-cum-dirt >> > rambler. >> >> > Patrick "just enjoyed the gofast feel of my '99 Joe Starck custom 650C >> > fixie" Moore >> >> > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:13 PM, SeanMac <seanm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > I'm considering pulling the trigger on one of the new blue Sam >> > > Hillborne's. >> > > They look like really wonderful bikes. Strong, versatile, attractive are >> > > words that come to mind when I think about this bike. These are >> > > qualities >> > > that I find attractive. However, I also like to go fastish. Can I do >> > > this >> > > with a Sam as well? >> >> > > I'm pushing 45 years old. A few years ago I had a custom made go-fast >> > > bike >> > > built for me. That bike goes fast, but is limited in what it can do. I >> > > also have a Trek 520 Touring bike. This bike, obviously, is built for >> > > touring. Its not very fast, nor very lively. In short, my Trek isn't >> > > much >> > > fun to ride. I'm looking for a bike to fit in between these two bikes -- >> > > one that will be able to carry a few bags and ride on stone dust bike >> > > paths >> > > (such as the Erie Canal path), but one that will not feel sluggish to >> > > ride >> > > (like my Trek). >> >> > > Most of the time, when I see photos of Sams, the bikes seem to be set up >> > > to >> > > be workhorses -- carrying a collection of bags and racks. I want to be >> > > able >> > > to do this with a bike (thus the attraction to the bike in the first >> > > place). However, I would like to use noodle bars and go on fast-ish club >> > > and recreational rides as well. In fact, the vast majority of rides will >> > > be 20 - 30 mile "out for fun and exercise" rides. Is the Sam well >> > > suited >> > > to this as well, or will it likely feel more like my Trek 520? Most >> > > likely >> > > I would set up a Sam with Noodle bars and tires such as Roly-Poly or Jack >> > > Browns. >> >> > > I'm also considering having a custom built randonneur bike -- one that >> > > will >> > > be able to carry some load but also feel quick and lively to ride. >> > > However, >> > > if the Sam will meet my needs, it certainly would be a less expensive >> > > alternative. I don't think that my body has any proportions that would >> > > make >> > > me difficult to fit (5ft, 11 inches tall, PBH 87.5, arm length 35 >> > > inches) so >> > > I don't think that I need to go custom (though it sure is fun to do so!). >> >> > > Any thoughts on whether a Sam would be a good choice would be >> > > appreciated. >> >> > > Sean >> >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qkcBbAgkYc0J. >> > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > > For more options, visit this group at >> > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > -- >> > Patrick Moore >> > Albuquerque, NM >> > For professional resumes, contact >> > Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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