Makes sense to me as well.....Being 257 I'd probably come in about 25 minutes slower in the climb the article mentioned. That settles it, I'm losing my racing fantasies right now plus I'd probably break one of those lightweight road bikes anyway.
On Mar 27, 8:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://bikeraceinfo.com/tech/weight.html > > This makes sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:10 PM, charlie <cl_v...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > This is odd....I own a mid 80's race bike Flandria built with Campy > > parts and skinny 25mm tires. I think it tips the scale at around 22 > > pounds but the frame is way too light for me and the tires too narrow. > > On smooth flat pavement its pretty fast but honestly I don't think any > > faster than one of my heavier 26 ish pound 32-35mm tire width > > machines. It seems most of any speed increase I've experienced is due > > to position rather than weight. I can tell you that my recumbent is > > fully 3-5 mph faster than any upright I've ever ridden now matter how > > low the bars or how uncomfortable I am on it. I'm just not sure what > > is actually meant by a "go fast bicycle". I would think that a 16 > > pound racer with low bars to be the cats meow in that department but > > I'll almost bet a Roadeo with the bars at the same height is just as > > fast until maybe you get to a steep climb. But honestly does five > > pounds make that much difference? Are we talking a 1/2 mph gain on the > > flats or only faster climbing or what? Has anyone done any real > > testing over several years and many rides with several different > > configured bicycles not to mention allowing for weather and energy > > levels etc? I know Grant has written of some climbing time differences > > using several bicycles but I wonder what a study of say 200 exact > > rides over two years would tell us....? > > > On Mar 27, 6:27 pm, Burton <burtonfl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think of my 650B Sam as a Volvo station wagon. > > >> I don't really know for going fast, but as my commute bike I always > >> thought the Sam was relatively fast. I could squeeze out my 25 mile > >> commute in just a smudge under an hour and fifteen minutes, fully > >> loaded with laptop, tools, clothes, whatever. That's if I was > >> motivated to get home in time for dinner. > > >> Then I rode a real go fast bike for the first time--a mid 80s custom > >> Bruce Gordon race bike. That thing felt like a Porsche 911 to my Sam > >> Volvo 240. Now, my favorite car ever was a 240, but I never thought of > >> it as fastish. > > >> On Mar 27, 11:48 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > I owned a single tt Sam, 56 cm, for a few months before I decided I > >> > didn't like the way it handled (mostly with a load: I hated the way it > >> > wandered all over the road when twiddling seated up a steep hill with > >> > a rear load). But my taste in handling apart, it is a wonderfully > >> > versatile bike good for commuting, errands, touring (tho' the tubing > >> > is not as stout as that of a full-on touring bike) and firm dirt > >> > roads. I also own two custom riv road bikes (and sold an earlier one > >> > some years ago). and I must say that, in comparison, the Sam is not a > >> > go fast bike. Of course, much depends on your wheels and tires, but > >> > IMO (5'10", 175, 57) the tubing is just too stout for that light steel > >> > tubing feel, and the top tube too long, at least for someone of my > >> > height, to get the bars low enough for the kind of fast riding I like. > >> > I imagine that, with a second tt, the frame might feel even less > >> > "supple". > > >> > But if I had room and money and miles for another bike, I'd have kept > >> > the Sam for a recreational, unloaded/light load pavement-cum-dirt > >> > rambler. > > >> > Patrick "just enjoyed the gofast feel of my '99 Joe Starck custom 650C > >> > fixie" Moore > > >> > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:13 PM, SeanMac <seanm...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > I'm considering pulling the trigger on one of the new blue Sam > >> > > Hillborne's. > >> > > They look like really wonderful bikes. Strong, versatile, attractive > >> > > are > >> > > words that come to mind when I think about this bike. These are > >> > > qualities > >> > > that I find attractive. However, I also like to go fastish. Can I do > >> > > this > >> > > with a Sam as well? > > >> > > I'm pushing 45 years old. A few years ago I had a custom made go-fast > >> > > bike > >> > > built for me. That bike goes fast, but is limited in what it can do. > >> > > I > >> > > also have a Trek 520 Touring bike. This bike, obviously, is built for > >> > > touring. Its not very fast, nor very lively. In short, my Trek isn't > >> > > much > >> > > fun to ride. I'm looking for a bike to fit in between these two bikes > >> > > -- > >> > > one that will be able to carry a few bags and ride on stone dust bike > >> > > paths > >> > > (such as the Erie Canal path), but one that will not feel sluggish to > >> > > ride > >> > > (like my Trek). > > >> > > Most of the time, when I see photos of Sams, the bikes seem to be set > >> > > up to > >> > > be workhorses -- carrying a collection of bags and racks. I want to > >> > > be able > >> > > to do this with a bike (thus the attraction to the bike in the first > >> > > place). However, I would like to use noodle bars and go on fast-ish > >> > > club > >> > > and recreational rides as well. In fact, the vast majority of rides > >> > > will > >> > > be 20 - 30 mile "out for fun and exercise" rides. Is the Sam well > >> > > suited > >> > > to this as well, or will it likely feel more like my Trek 520? Most > >> > > likely > >> > > I would set up a Sam with Noodle bars and tires such as Roly-Poly or > >> > > Jack > >> > > Browns. > > >> > > I'm also considering having a custom built randonneur bike -- one that > >> > > will > >> > > be able to carry some load but also feel quick and lively to ride. > >> > > However, > >> > > if the Sam will meet my needs, it certainly would be a less expensive > >> > > alternative. I don't think that my body has any proportions that > >> > > would make > >> > > me difficult to fit (5ft, 11 inches tall, PBH 87.5, arm length 35 > >> > > inches) so > >> > > I don't think that I need to go custom (though it sure is fun to do > >> > > so!). > > >> > > Any thoughts on whether a Sam would be a good choice would be > >> > > appreciated. > > >> > > Sean > > >> > > -- > >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > > Groups > >> > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > > To view this discussion on the web visit > >> > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qkcBbAgkYc0J. > >> > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> > > For more options, visit this group at > >> > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> > -- > >> > Patrick Moore > >> > Albuquerque, NM > >> > For professional resumes, contact > >> > Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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