Glycogen is not a body thing. Glycogen won't move from your arms to your legs. Once your legs are depleted, that's it. As I understand it (I'm not a doctor nor do I play one on TV, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night), fat as a fuel needs something to burn it, and that is some form of carbohydrate, and it's usually one of the really bad ones. If it was just fat, you could head out w/ just a gallon or so of water and come back 10lbs of body fat lighter. The discipline is to only use these bad carbs while exercising. You can get this from many forms, but I just prefer the Gu/Clif etc., type because when I start to get a little low in the "gas tank", a gel followed by some water goes right where it should, quickly digested. Same thing could be accomplished w/ Cytomax or some such. Plus time can be a limiting factor so why would I want to stop to ingest? Add to that the extra time for digestion and you're carrying a lot more than you need to and waiting a lot more for it to kick in. It's not a race thing, haven't done that in almost 20 years-too much work for too little reward. The thing it is about, though, is not getting out there and meeting the man with the hammer. That can be bad. Who hasn't finished a century, limping along in 1st gear, doing all you can just to turn over the pedals? No thanks. Recovery is what ever works best for you, worked out by trial and error.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:25 PM, charlie <cl_v...@hotmail.com> wrote: > All of this depends on what your goals are and how you > "train"......I'm interested in losing body fat and could care less if > I win the local triathlon or whatever. There is no reason in my mind > to load up, eat while riding or recover utilizing starchy carbs. You > can get the same thing from vegetables and or some fruits without the > insulin spike problems etc. For recovery.... protein and fat sure > makes some sense especially in light of recent training advice to > drink sugar laden chocolate milk (protein and fat) I'll take a chunk > of chicken,salmon or a steak coupled with a boat load of fresh salad > and other assorted greens with olive oil and whatever else my wife > uses in her her low carb dressing. Doesn't the body normally only > store about two hours worth of glucose anyway. I mean at some point > you would have to burn fat on a long ride anyway....why not train > yourself to do that instead of topping off with simple carbohydrate. > Just saying...........on the other hand, if you are a competitive > athlete and you want to log 100 mile days you are probably not > interested in the health aspect but would instead want to improve > performance and recovery at whatever cost to health. I think however > that there are trainers (and authors with books) out there who > specialize in 'paleo' diets for athletes. Can't remember the title of > the one I'm thinking of but you can probably Google it. > > On Aug 17, 7:15 am, Khalid Mateen <krm2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I think you are right. If you are doing long distances, your body wants >> calories and it will look towards anything for those calories, even starchy >> carbohydrates. I think starchy carbohydrates are appropiate in this >> instance because your body insulin may go up, but the sugar in the blood is >> being pushed into the muscle where it is needed most and not stored as body >> fat. Although I have not read his book, Lorain Cordain suggest high >> carbohydrates after a workout or after you used alot of energy and need fuel >> for a workout or activity. I do think if you are going to eat >> carbohydrates, make sure it is the good stuff if you can get them like rice, >> pasta,yam and bread. These can be use to help recover from extreme long >> bike rides and not feel drain the next day. Even good sources of fat since >> fat has about calories in it and fat can be used to convert to sugar in the >> body. >> >> K. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:54 PM, David Faller <dfal...@charter.net> wrote: >> > During an energy-hogging ride it doesn't seem to matter how you eat. Your >> > body is desperately looking for available calories, probably at a rate >> > faster than you can digest them and make them available. 200 cal. per hour >> > is probably all one should eat while riding to maintain the energy flow. A >> > friend of mine does many centuries and double centuries per year. He is 53 >> > years old, gaunt, and subsists on alarming quantities of raw vegetables >> > while riding. He has the energy of a 25 year old. But when he takes a >> > break on the side of the road, his number one craving is those hot Fritos. >> > He shamelessly snarfs down those and all sorts of other nasty things like >> > Cup O' Noodles and cookies, etc. Not very Paleo, but he's working so hard >> > that he's burning those calories while idling. Post ride, he gets back to >> > the proteins, with some carbs, and is quite satisfied; I don't think he >> > ends >> > the ride with a 4,000 calorie refuel. I can't say it sounds as fun or >> > rewarding as a spaghetti feed or a BBQ with all the goodies, but he seems >> > to >> > do this effortlessly. >> >> > Personally, I'm all for pizza and beer after the ride... >> >> > On 8/14/2011 5:30 PM, reynoldslugs wrote: >> >> >> Sorry to resuscitate a dying thread, but here goes: >> >> >> I like the way the Taubes/Paleo makes me feel - -won't rehash. >> >> Problem I have is long rides - - 4 to 12 hours. I have not figured >> >> out the "Taubesian" foods work to keep you going during the ride, or >> >> how to handle that feeling of post-ride starvation. >> >> >> What do you eat during the ride, and how do you handle the post-ride >> >> meal? >> >> >> I don't think I should be putting Candy Bars in my Candy Bar Bag, but >> >> hard boiled eggs and raw broccoli aren't getting me through the long >> >> days. >> >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> >> Thanks. 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