i agree with jan, as i too have felt the subtle differences in the
ride of different, lighter, heavier, and tubed framesets. unlike jan,
i can't quantify a damn thing.

but...my all carbonated Fisher Cronus does not have the most forgiving
feel in how it rides as it is one stiff mofo. but...it is 5 lbs
lighter than my nearest steel bike and out of the saddle climbing and
accelleration from a dead stop do "seem" markedly quicker. you see i
put "seem" in quote marks.

is it not possible that degrees of how a bike feels relative to weight
is correlated with where the weight is located?

just a thought.

On Mar 18, 7:52 am, Jan Heine <hein...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > i can almost guarantee if you reduce bike weight by 5 lbs, you
> > will both notice and enjoy the difference.
>
> I am not sure that bike weight matters much by itself. My bike rides
> the same whether I carry only a spare tube in the handlebar bag or am
> loaded down with 10 lbs of food and clothes for a 600 km brevet. (Yes,
> you can measure the difference on a long climb, but it doesn't change
> how the bike feels, nor how much I enjoy the ride.)
>
> That said, I really dislike riding bikes with heavy frames. Not
> because they weigh more, but because they feel different. Call it
> "lively feel" or "planing," there is a joy to a high-performance bike
> that is absent from a bike that is overbuilt and too stiff for the
> purpose. Putting lighter parts on a heavy frame doesn't make a
> difference...
>
> In the 1960s and early 1970s, time trial bikes were equipped with
> drilled-out components and even cantilever brakes to save weight.
> (Remember <a href="http://www.bikequarterly.com/rebour.html";>Merckx'
> hour record bike</a>?) The conventional wisdom was that a TT bike had
> to be as light as possible, even on a flat course. Of course, we all
> know that the bike's weight matters little in a flat time trial, but
> the old wisdom probably had some underlying grain of truth. I am sure
> that I would have preferred to ride at a constant, all-out effort on
> the superlight frame of a TT bike than on the heavier frame of a
> standard racing bike, because of its "lively feel" or "planing," and
> not because of the holes drilled into the chainrings!
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterlyhttp://www.bikequarterly.com
>
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