i own an all steel Gunnar Sport, a coupled Rambouillet, a custom Rex
with all carbon fork. poundage on those goes from a low of about 21.5
up to 24.

for fun, i just built up a carbon Fisher Cronus; all carbon. for the
first time i paid attention to lower weight parts; carbon bars, carbon
seatpost, and shimano RS 80 1600 gram wheels. with pedals and cages it
weighs 17 lbs. that is nearly 5 less than the rest. i am old, sorta
plumpish, but i ride quite a bit. i can't quantify the difference, but
the lighter bike is a fine fun contrast to the others. you can drink
less beer, lose some weight...and until you actually do it, a
significantly lighter bike is a ball.

not my normal conservative approach. in fact, way out there:

https://picasaweb.google.com/107231724174916923201/CronusWheels#

On Mar 17, 8:16 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh good, another controversy to jump into. Herewith:
>
> 1. I imagine that "heavy" is said relative to rider weight, no? If a 17 lb
> bike is light for me, it would be simply fragile for a 250 pounder.
>
> 2. Ditto for the bikes purpose: a fixie gofast has a different standard than
> a touring or mountain bike.
>
> 3. The tolerable limits also have to do with one's preferences for owning
> fewer multipurpose or more single purpose bikes.
>
> Having disposed of that:
>
> For me, 170: gofast, certainly under 20 lb equipped. Mine is (ahem) 17 3/4
> lb exactly. Nice commuter under 25 lb equipped but not laden. Mine is
> probably under 23 lb with rack but no bag. But when you get to errand
> beaters and tourer/offroad bikes, who is to say? I'd love a 20 lb ss 29er,
> but I'd rather have my multipurpose Fargo, which is porcine at 33 lb, than a
> single use, lightweight ss off road bike if I had to choose just one. My
> Motobecane is unweighed but, equipped and unladen, I'd guess it is at least
> 28 lb despite the nicely light frame thanks to heavy wheels, non-SON20R
> dynohub, luggage and so forth.
>
> I did some windy hills this afternoon, about 17 or 18 miles (no computer! So
> I can fudge!) on the gofast  and let me tell you, climbing those hills,
> especially with SW 21 G 33 winds, is far easier when your bike is 10 lb less
> (and of course the wheels are far, far lighter).
>
> OTOH, the porcine Motobecane and grossly obese Fargo are still fun to ride
> -- funner than many a lighter bike I've ridden. I'd choose fun over light
> any day. (Still, how can I drop 10 lb from the Fargo.....?)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:54 PM, MichaelH <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > OK, now that we have dispensed with helmets, allow me to raise another
> > controversial topic.
>
> > This is not like, when am I too heavy, which is easy.... right now.
>
> > I have 4 bikes, well 6 really, but we wont go into those details.  All
> > four of them are around 62 cm and get ridden regularly - a 1988
> > classic stage racing frame, weighing around 22 lbs; a Rambouillet,
> > outfitted with White/ Open Pro wheels,  a White dbl crank, Honjo
> > fenders,  a Mark's Rack, and light tires also weighing about 22 lbs.;
> > a 1984 Trek (Reynolds 531 standard gauge tubing)  with Shimano 9 speed
> > cranks and shifters, SKS Fenders, Passella 32 mm T Guards and  coming
> > in around 25 lbs; and An Ebisu All Purpose, with front and real steel
> > racks, steel fenders, MA 40 Rims, triple DaVinci Cranks, and 38 mm
> > Avocet Cross tires that weighs in at a hefty 30 lbs.
>
> > I live in Vermont, which has lots of rolling hills and some
> > significant climbs.   Do you think the 5 lbs alone, between the Trek
> > and Ebisu is enough to effect the performance?  What about the 3 lb
> > difference between the Rambouillet and the Trek?  Or, are the
> > perceived differences imaginary?
>
> > michael
>
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