James: Thanks for that info!

Gernot: How interesting.. I just checked my Riv invoice and it lists a
107mm Tange Super BB. Not that I know what that means, but it reads on
Riv's site that all Riv bikes should use 113 mm except the Atlantis
that uses 107 mm.
Whether I really have a 107 or that's just what it says on the receipt
- I don't know. How do I find out? And would it matter?


On Feb 16, 1:30 pm, Earl Grey <earlg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have the same size Hillborne (but earlier Taiwan version) with the
> same crank (Sugino XD-2), same chain (SRAM 9 speed), older generation
> but NOS low normal XT derailer (but different front derailer, though I
> can't see how that would matter), and have no issues with chain suck
> (okay, 2 or 3 instances in 1.5 yrs, probably with dirty chain). I also
> run a 9 sp Shimano cassette on a 9 sp Shimano hub, versus Paul's 7 sp
> Shimano freewheel on Phil hub, but can't see how that would matter.
>
> How about BB spindle length? It's a long shot, but if the spindle is
> too long, I could see that contributing.
>
> Gernot
>
> On Feb 16, 7:19 am, doug peterson <dougpn...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Paul:
>
> > > Matt: Yes, perhaps I should try an 8spd chain. They have bigger spaces
> > > than 9 spd don't they?
>
> > Check out the Harris / Sheldon website for general chain info but IIRC
> > 9 speed is narrower.  I always buy ones marked "6/7/8" speed for my 8
> > speed.  I generally buy whatever is on sale for around $20 & get
> > several.  Here in SoCal using wax for lube I get a year out of a
> > chain.  It's about as chain friendly an environment as possible (dry,
> > the whole place is paved over).
>
> > You mention chain suck when climbing; that's odd.  Maybe climbing in
> > the granny & middle of the cluster, with not much chain tension?  Hit
> > a bump or something?  Just a thought.
>
> > If chains are that pricey, have Kip pick up a batch when he's here
> > next time.  That doesn't do you any good today but for future.  If Kip
> > & Gernot have no problems & you're the only 9 speed user, that could
> > be a clue.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On Feb 15, 2:52 am, Paul Yeoh <rawfoodcuis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for all your replies.
>
> > > Seth: Just checked, its not the rails.
>
> > > Patrick: Think I read on EcoVelo to use that paraffin/beeswax ratio.
> > > It worked really well when the chain was still clean, chain ran more
> > > silent than when new.
>
> > > Matt: Yes, perhaps I should try an 8spd chain. They have bigger spaces
> > > than 9 spd don't they? I think Wipperman's are available here, but for
> > > a hefty price (like 1500 thb - 48 USD). I have been a veg oil user
> > > myself on my other bikes, it was great when I lived in wetter
> > > Singapore. The Riv was the first bike to get chronic chain suck and so
> > > I thought I'd try wax since the climate is dry and super dusty this
> > > time of year in Thailand.

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