I have the same size Hillborne (but earlier Taiwan version) with the
same crank (Sugino XD-2), same chain (SRAM 9 speed), older generation
but NOS low normal XT derailer (but different front derailer, though I
can't see how that would matter), and have no issues with chain suck
(okay, 2 or 3 instances in 1.5 yrs, probably with dirty chain). I also
run a 9 sp Shimano cassette on a 9 sp Shimano hub, versus Paul's 7 sp
Shimano freewheel on Phil hub, but can't see how that would matter.

How about BB spindle length? It's a long shot, but if the spindle is
too long, I could see that contributing.

Gernot


On Feb 16, 7:19 am, doug peterson <dougpn...@cox.net> wrote:
> Paul:
>
> > Matt: Yes, perhaps I should try an 8spd chain. They have bigger spaces
> > than 9 spd don't they?
>
> Check out the Harris / Sheldon website for general chain info but IIRC
> 9 speed is narrower.  I always buy ones marked "6/7/8" speed for my 8
> speed.  I generally buy whatever is on sale for around $20 & get
> several.  Here in SoCal using wax for lube I get a year out of a
> chain.  It's about as chain friendly an environment as possible (dry,
> the whole place is paved over).
>
> You mention chain suck when climbing; that's odd.  Maybe climbing in
> the granny & middle of the cluster, with not much chain tension?  Hit
> a bump or something?  Just a thought.
>
> If chains are that pricey, have Kip pick up a batch when he's here
> next time.  That doesn't do you any good today but for future.  If Kip
> & Gernot have no problems & you're the only 9 speed user, that could
> be a clue.
>
> dougP
>
> On Feb 15, 2:52 am, Paul Yeoh <rawfoodcuis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks for all your replies.
>
> > Seth: Just checked, its not the rails.
>
> > Patrick: Think I read on EcoVelo to use that paraffin/beeswax ratio.
> > It worked really well when the chain was still clean, chain ran more
> > silent than when new.
>
> > Matt: Yes, perhaps I should try an 8spd chain. They have bigger spaces
> > than 9 spd don't they? I think Wipperman's are available here, but for
> > a hefty price (like 1500 thb - 48 USD). I have been a veg oil user
> > myself on my other bikes, it was great when I lived in wetter
> > Singapore. The Riv was the first bike to get chronic chain suck and so
> > I thought I'd try wax since the climate is dry and super dusty this
> > time of year in Thailand.

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