Some great sleuthing and info here!
I’ll add in another one that I’m pretty sure I’m not imagining: the chain 
stays look a tad shorter. 

On Saturday 10 August 2024 at 22:21:06 UTC+9:30 Dorothy C wrote:

> I noticed they got down tube shifter bosses with the upcoming ones. Kind 
> of surprising on a sturdy bike. 
> Here is a picture of my 2016 model sky blue 46cm, a 26” wheel bike, my 
> first Riv bike purchase.
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> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 4:16:17 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Despite everyone providing fantastic advice regarding my Sam rebuild.  I 
>> must admit, I am still incredibly interested in replacing the Sam with a 
>> green Joe.
>>
>> Regarding tire clearance specifically…Grant told me this run of Joes 
>> would now match current Atlantis tire clearances.
>>
>> R,
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2024, at 6:27 AM, iamkeith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Watching thread, and curious about the same thing - especially since 
>> they felt it necessary to get new prototypes. 
>>
>>
>> The geometry chart still shows it having a slightly steeper headtube and 
>> shorter top tube than the equivalent Atlantis, which suprises me every time 
>> I've ever looked for this info.  (You kind of have to extrapolate, because 
>> the respective sizes alternate.)  Will's email said they will be updating 
>> the website eventually/soon.
>>
>> I've asked this before, but can anyone describe how the various versions 
>> have evolved over time?  I know the fork legs got stiffer after the first 
>> batch, and the double top tube was dropped from the larger sizes, but I'm 
>> particularly interested in geometry and tire clearance improvements. 
>>
>> I have more bikes than I need - especially Rivendells - but still always 
>> daydream about that n+1.  The Appaloosa is the model that has the least 
>> overlap to the bikes I already have and -  unlike any Atlantis ever - comes 
>> in a size that would fit me.  If it got longer and slacker, it would be 
>> even better.  
>>
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