> you have quite a strong opinion for having little frame of reference! Not really. For off road, I use MTB as short hand. Too many other things in life I have to think about.
> the current "rene herse" rando bike is optimized for a tire in the > 29-32mm range. That may well be. But they must really like the look of the bike with Hetres, as the photos of their bikes would suggest (of the 650b Boulder as well). > VO recommends tires in the 25-30 range for its rando bike. But the VO Rando is a 700 (why I am not sure. The Johnnycoast VO Randos (maybe that should be singular. As far as I know, Steve Palinscar has the only one) is 650b. > available - anyone know)? for that matter, i wonder how many 650b > bikes were even there - maybe 10-15% of all bikes? it must a very > relatively small percentage. i bet the vast majority of riders use a > tire between 25-30mm. Frankly, I would be surprised if 650b is even 10% of the bikes at even a tradition bound event such as the P-B-P. But then the Pari-Moto are a small run tire meant for a small number of customers. And among these riders, it would stand to reason they will be using tires such as he Hetre and Pari-Moto, given the level of interest for those tires among the 650b set. > in any event, most 650b'ers i know enjoying riding their bikes off- > road. it's part of the fun! I certainly do not debate this point. My understanding of the Pari- Moto, however, is that it may not by design necessarily be robust enough to handle off-road as well as other tires on the market. From what I read,Kirk does not appear to have designed the tire with off- road in mind. I would hate to see riders criticizing the tire for not being able to do what he meant it to do. On May 14, 10:33 am, Patrick in VT <psh...@drm.com> wrote: > On May 14, 10:31 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > >Living in Chicago I have little chance to do either, so tend to jumble > >the two in my mind. > > you have quite a strong opinion for having little frame of reference! > > >As I understand the history of 650b, the constructeurs liked the size > >as it allowed them to build bikes around wider tires that were more > >comfortable riding over cobble stone streets. The whole 23 mm road > >tire thing was not in their thought process. Not sure why a tire that > >harks back to the 650b golden era is silly. > > the current "rene herse" rando bike is optimized for a tire in the > 29-32mm range. VO recommends tires in the 25-30 range for its rando > bike. > go to the alex singer website and have a look at the tires they set-up > the "randonneur sportif" with - or any bike except their camper, for > that matter! > > 38mm tires are a far cry from that. nothing wrong with using them for > that kind of thing - hell, I rode the hetre on a 600k. but if tires > that fat excel at anything, it's mixed terrain riding/camping/ > exploring/etc. > > > Again, I have never, and hope to the bike gods will never, participate > > in any sort of race. > > good thing you're buying "event" tires, just in case! > > > However, reading Heine's accounts of the P-B-P > > and similar events for which many of the people ordering 650b builds, > > it seems wider tires are the norm. > > of course most 650b builds use "wider" tires - it's all that's > available! but i wonder how many people used the hetre (comparable in > size to the pari-moto) on the last PBP? maybe 5 (was it even > available - anyone know)? for that matter, i wonder how many 650b > bikes were even there - maybe 10-15% of all bikes? it must a very > relatively small percentage. i bet the vast majority of riders use a > tire between 25-30mm. > > in any event, most 650b'ers i know enjoying riding their bikes off- > road. it's part of the fun! > > and, as long as we're invoking the word of J. Heine, here's an > interesting little excerpt from his test of the grand bois cypres: > > "I mounted the tires (the 650bx32 cypres) on my alex singer touring > bike . .. over two days I explored BACKROADS, including a fast descent > on GRAVEL ROADS, BROKEN PAVEMENT, .. .. and finally the UNPAVED iron > horse trail. I found no noticeable wear on either tire, showing that > the tire will withstand many miles of HARD RIDING on ROUGH SURFACES." > > i take issue with some what I read in BQ, but i find myself agreeing > with its tire findings more often than not. > > > Not unusual I am out of the loop, but I am not aware of a 650b x 23 > > tire currently on the market. > > i referred to the challenge triathalon, 700c x 23mm. it was the > fastest tire in BQ's tests, which included 650b tires. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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