- I put the same setup that Ben used on my recently acquired Ram running 
   3 ring Sugino crankset. Friction in front using a Shimano CX-70 front der - 
   it covers the range just fine, but it is finicky about angle to the chain 
   line. 
   - Shimano M-970 9 speed rear derailleur - the old 105 long cage had old, 
   slow shifting springs, the XTR with strongers springs shifts much better. 
   Indexed mode "I think" has me shifting the rear as much as I would on the 
   hoods with brifter. 
   - Trying out a KMC SL chain for longevity. I like Shimano chains (with 
   SRAM quicklinks) and had no complaints with Ultegra or 105. But I swear the 
   KMC shifts more cleanly, more quickly. All new gears front and rear so it's 
   a fair comparison. The test is how it is shifting 1,500 miles down the 
   road. 

     Cheers,
     Bill in Roswell, GA

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 5:25:30 PM UTC-4, Ben Van Dyke wrote:
>
> I have the Dura Ace 10 speed shifters with the switchable friction/indexed 
> setting. I think you should go indexed on 10 speed unless you have a 
> compelling reason not to. The Shimano shifters were trivial to set up in 
> indexed mode with an old 9 speed XT derailleur. This setup has been working 
> extremely well for me, the shifting is quick and precise. 
>
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 9:20:50 AM UTC-7, Gabriel Hargrove wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I'm setting up a 2x10 drive train and was hoping to benefit from any 
>> experience out there using either Shimano 9 speed bar end shifters in 
>> friction mode or move into the Shimano 10 speed bar end shifters (STI 
>> only). Given the narrowness of the 10 speed chains, is it that finicky 
>> trying to find the right gear in a friction set up? Perhaps it is quieter 
>> in properly dialed in on the 10spd shifter. I don't plan on swapping out 
>> the levers for Silver shifters anytime soon, if that makes a difference for 
>> those in favor of the 9spd set up. 
>>
>> Other details:
>> 2007 26" Atlantis
>> 10 speed rear cassette
>> SunXcd double Crankset 46/26
>> Shimano CX70 FD
>> SunXcd RD
>>
>>

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