Great pics. I think having a fair amount of standover clearance is pretty nice. I also think its nice to have the bars up real high. Its true you don't often actually straddle the bar riding around town or touring, normally you have one foot on the ground and the other on the pedal at a stop. Occasionally when light trail riding you end up slamming on the brakes while going down a really steep decline and when you put your feet down you crotch the bar. The answer is the 6 degree upsloping toptubes. Crotch worriers and people who like high bars are happy. A lot of people complain about Rivendell sizing philosophy but I think the new hillborne finally works with their philosophy and the standover that other non riv riders are used too. Now please can they make a 58cm hillborne.
On Nov 10, 2:41 pm, newenglandbike <matthiasbe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > that notion gets tossed around a lot - and i agree for the most part > > - but it shouldn't be thrown out there as some universal truth. it's > > nice to have more generous standover clearance when dealing with a > > heavily loaded touring bike; it's also nice to have some standover > > clearance when you're doing real rough-stuff riding and have to make a > > quick or emergency dismount; and it's also nice to have some standover > > clearance when you do a lot of stop-and-go commuting. > > We'll have to agree to disagree on that fine point. I don't think > of the notion I offered as 'tossed around'. I think folks who have > tried Rivendell's sizing principles/notions tend to realize that > however 'nice' having standover clearance is for all those purposes > you list, it's *way* nicer to have a bike that is comfortable to ride, > and furthermore, an inch or two of standover clearance is not missed > at all in any of the aforementioned situations. > > I'm not saying we should be moving towards this: > > http://antiques.lovetoknow.com/images/Antiques/thumb/5/58/Bicycle_190... > > or any of these: > > http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s83/hillbillygrin/bikestuff/bike1.jpghttp://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s83/hillbillygrin/bikestuff/xmasto...http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s83/hillbillygrin/bikestuff/fry3.jpg > > But it sometimes is helpful to remember that normal can be relative, > and necessity can be misunderstood. > > On Nov 10, 3:19 pm, Patrick in VT <psh...@drm.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 10, 9:57 am, newenglandbike <matthiasbe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > When you say you cannot straddle it easily, do you mean that your > > > 'crotch bone' (*bone* being the operative word) prevents you from > > > having both feet on the ground (with shoes on)? Because unless that > > > is the issue, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Even if that > > > *were* the issue, I wouldn't worry too much about it. In actual > > > riding, rarely, IF EVER, do you need to straddle your top tube with > > > both feet flat on the ground. > > > that notion gets tossed around a lot - and i agree for the most part > > - but it shouldn't be thrown out there as some universal truth. it's > > nice to have more generous standover clearance when dealing with a > > heavily loaded touring bike; it's also nice to have some standover > > clearance when you're doing real rough-stuff riding and have to make a > > quick or emergency dismount; and it's also nice to have some standover > > clearance when you do a lot of stop-and-go commuting. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
