> that notion gets tossed around a lot - and i agree for the most part
> -  but it shouldn't be thrown out there as some universal truth.  it's
> nice to have more generous standover clearance when dealing with a
> heavily loaded touring bike; it's also nice to have some standover
> clearance when you're doing real rough-stuff riding and have to make a
> quick or emergency dismount; and it's also nice to have some standover
> clearance when you do a lot of stop-and-go commuting.


We'll have to agree to disagree on that fine point.    I don't think
of the notion I offered as 'tossed around'.   I think folks who have
tried Rivendell's sizing principles/notions tend to realize that
however 'nice' having standover clearance is for all those purposes
you list, it's *way* nicer to have a bike that is comfortable to ride,
and furthermore, an inch or two of standover clearance is not missed
at all in any of the aforementioned situations.

I'm not saying we should be moving towards this:

http://antiques.lovetoknow.com/images/Antiques/thumb/5/58/Bicycle_1900.jpg/300px-Bicycle_1900.jpg

or any of these:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s83/hillbillygrin/bikestuff/bike1.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s83/hillbillygrin/bikestuff/xmastoy_wideweb__470x3930.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s83/hillbillygrin/bikestuff/fry3.jpg

But it sometimes is helpful to remember that normal can be relative,
and necessity can be misunderstood.





On Nov 10, 3:19 pm, Patrick in VT <psh...@drm.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 9:57 am, newenglandbike <matthiasbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > When you say you cannot straddle it easily, do you mean that your
> > 'crotch bone' (*bone* being the operative word) prevents you from
> > having both feet on the ground (with shoes on)?   Because unless that
> > is the issue, I wouldn't worry too much about it.     Even if that
> > *were* the issue, I wouldn't worry too much about it.    In actual
> > riding, rarely, IF EVER, do you need to straddle your top tube with
> > both feet flat on the ground.
>
> that notion gets tossed around a lot - and i agree for the most part
> -  but it shouldn't be thrown out there as some universal truth.  it's
> nice to have more generous standover clearance when dealing with a
> heavily loaded touring bike; it's also nice to have some standover
> clearance when you're doing real rough-stuff riding and have to make a
> quick or emergency dismount; and it's also nice to have some standover
> clearance when you do a lot of stop-and-go commuting.
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