And did the originator of the carbon frame say "it does not exist so it cannot be done " ? Did he forget that there were a host of top steel frame builders who were considered the masters of their time ?
Did the Wright brothers see the bird, and look to sky and proclaim . . . . "oh . . . I guess because it does not *appear* that I can fly, that I cannot fly ? " Did Boeing and Lockheed let the airplanes of the Wright brothers stop them from wanting and imagining something grander ? None let "what *appears to be"* stop them . . . there is no stopping what you hunger for in fact . On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:53:54 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Perhaps you are unaware that Calfee is one of the top custom builders in > carbon, and the one who figured out how to repair it. His opinion deserves > the highest respect, as he is the top expert in the field. > > On 07/27/2014 05:51 PM, Garth wrote: > > > I'm not speaking of "what was" or even what *appears *to be. All of that > is old news . So all arguments for what *appears* to be , are for nothing > but more self imposed limitations. > > And that's fine for those who want that :) > > But everyone hungers for something . . . . and there is no hunger of the > imagination that does not go satiated ! > > > Again, nothing exists . . .. *NOTHING* . . . that was not first imagined > to exist . Without the imagination , the hunger for something greater > that what *appears* to be . . . . there is nothing to experience . > > > > > On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> On 07/27/2014 04:58 PM, Garth wrote: >> > >> > Oh .... idk . .. . I really wonder how many die hard steel >> > enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame >> > if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel >> > version. With all the mounting points, etc. >> >> Don't count on it. When BQ tested their first Calfee the question was >> raised about rack mounts, and Calfee provided a response in a side bar: >> if a bike falls over with a load on a rack, it puts an off-angle stress >> on the rack and mounting points. Carbon frames when subjected to that >> kind of stress tend to split, like a cane of bamboo. (In fact, I know >> two people in the local bike club who had carbon frames with downtubes >> that split when the bikes fell over with full water bottles.) So Calfee >> says mount a rack with a P-clamp, so that when the bike falls over the >> rack will shift rather than split the tube. >> >> There's another issue as well: the economics of molded carbon (1st copy >> costs a million bucks, 2nd copy costs 10 cents) vs metal, where 1st, 2nd >> and nth copy cost the same. Those Riv-style bikes just aren't as >> popular these days as road racers, and the economics of low volume >> production with carbon are punishing compared with metals. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
