I'm not speaking of "what was" or even what *appears *to be.  All of that 
is old news . So all arguments for what *appears* to be , are for nothing 
but more self imposed limitations.  

And that's fine for those who want that :) 

But everyone hungers for something .  . .  . and there is no hunger of the 
imagination that does not go satiated !  


Again, nothing exists . . .. *NOTHING*  . . . that was not first imagined 
to exist .   Without the imagination , the hunger for something greater 
that what *appears* to be .  . .  . there is nothing to experience  . 




On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 07/27/2014 04:58 PM, Garth wrote: 
> > 
> > Oh .... idk .  ..  . I really wonder how many die hard steel 
> > enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame 
> > if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel 
> > version.  With all the mounting points, etc. 
>
> Don't count on it.  When BQ tested their first Calfee the question was 
> raised about rack mounts, and Calfee provided a response in a side bar: 
> if a bike falls over with a load on a rack, it puts an off-angle stress 
> on the rack and mounting points.  Carbon  frames when subjected to that 
> kind of stress tend to split, like a cane of bamboo.  (In fact, I know 
> two people in the local bike club who had carbon frames with downtubes 
> that split when the bikes fell over with full water bottles.)  So Calfee 
> says mount a rack with a P-clamp, so that when the bike falls over the 
> rack will shift rather than split the tube. 
>
> There's another issue as well: the economics of molded carbon (1st copy 
> costs a million bucks, 2nd copy costs 10 cents) vs metal, where 1st, 2nd 
> and nth copy cost the same.  Those Riv-style bikes just aren't as 
> popular these days as road racers, and the economics of low volume 
> production with carbon are punishing compared with metals. 
>
>
> > I suspect many would own at least one such bike, if not already.  And 
> > please, do not say "such a frame doesn't exist" , it may not exist 
> > here and now, but just because it is not seen before the eyes, does 
> > not mean it does not and will not exist . 
>
>
>

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