As stated, I *did* push the Cinelli stem all the way down, but the
Albatross was still too high. Cutting the fork *might* have gotten the
bar low enough, but there were other issues and if it did not work,
then I would still have a shortened steer tube. They are quite
difficult to lengthen. :)

In the end, I used a different bar, a rare old Bridgestone bar that
has about 2" of drop (I just measured). This is the opposite of the
Albatross, which has rise unless you turn it over. The Bridgestone bar
also requires far less stem extension, so a Periscopa stem worked
great, especially as the Bridgestone bar has a 1" clamp area. It's a
happy ending. The only reason I brought up the Albatross experiment is
that it's a good example of a situation where a threadless fork would
have allowed experimentation without getting out the hacksaw.

On Dec 24, 8:12 am, palin...@his.com wrote:
> Quoting Atlantean <softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Steve, I explained the limitations in my previous post. Possibly not
> > very clearly. The Atlantis has an extra tall steer tube, accommodated
> > by some spacers. I am glad I did not cut the fork, because I found
> > handlebar bliss on my Atlantis with an old Bridgestone Moustache bar
> > that takes V brake levers (rare item that should not be), and a
> > Periscopa stem. That extra tall steer tube helps keep the flex to a
> > tolerable level, at least on my "comfort bike."
>
> So the solution to you can't get the handlebars low enough is to use  
> an upwards sloping stem with an extra long quill?
>
> > My point was that it
> > would have been very easy to try the lowest position afforded by a 17
> > degree stem without cutting anything.
>
> Almost as easy as pushing a quill stem down all the way.  That takes  
> two turns of a 5mm allen key.
>
> I'm so confused my head hurts.
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