On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 15:31 -0800, MichaelH wrote:
> I rarely  get a ghost shift on my Ram, with slver dt shifters and an
> ultegra hg casette.; but I do get it on my Ebisu with silver bar ends
> and the same hg casette.  

> I would dispute those who claim index
> shifting is faster.  With contemporary cogs I rarely miss a shift, and

Shifting faster, as I spoke of it, is not about missing shifts, it's
about the care and time it takes to shift.  

On the terrain I was talking about, dirt roads in the Piedmont, where
grades are often quite steep but short, and changes are very abrupt, you
sometimes have only a very short window to complete a shift and keep
pedalling; if you take an extra half second or second to finesse a shift
you may lose momentum and bog down, possibly may even have to dismount
lest you fall over.  

I wasn't theorizing in the absence of experience.  I have two 650B
bikes, a Saluki equipped with indexed bar ends, and a Kogswell with what
Riv once called "supermix" shifters: Shimano bar end pods and SunTour
Sprint downtube levers.  I've taken both on those dirt road rides.
Friction is fine on the C&O Canal, where changes in grade are very
gradual.  It's a whole different story out in Fauquier County only a few
miles from the Blue Ridge.  I've used the Kogswell to commute on a daily
basis, so I'm completely familiar with how the bike shifts; and I used
friction shifters for many decades before that, so I'm no novice.  It
was MUCH harder on the Kogswell; and all too often I found myself being
forced to go to the largest sprocket because that was the only one I
could count on hitting accurately in the time I had to make the shift.

> I can throw the chain across the entire range with one quick move,
> which you can't do with sis.

You may not be able to do that with brifters, but you certainly can do
that with indexed bar end shifters (what I use) and with indexed
downtube shifters (which I don't use, but that work the same as bar
ends).  SIS was Shimano's tradename for indexing.  STI is their
tradename for integrated brake and shift levers.




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