Hallöchen! Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Calvin Spealman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> The choice is GUI toolkits is largely seperate from >>> Python. Consider that they are just bindings to libraries that >>> are developed completely seperate of the language. GUI is should >>> be seperate from the language, and thus not bound to same >>> expectations and desires as elements of the language itself. >> >> I disagree. A modern language must provide a convenient and >> well-embedded way to write GUI applications. > > [...] > > The tools for writing GUI applications belong in a library, not > the langauge. None of us has talked about changing syntax. However, the standard library is part of the language unless you're really very petty. >> This is not a sign of decadence, but a very good promotional >> argument. > > But it's not required for the language to succeed. Today it is (except for very special-purpose languages). > C and C++ are both doing very well without your a well-embedded > way to write GUI applications. I don't think that much money is made with new C programs. Almost all money with C++ is made with VC which has been having a GUI toolkit in its standard library right from the beginning. And most money is made with VB AFAIK. > However, you can get compilers for both that come bundled with a > good GUI library. Could it be that that's what you really want - > someone to distribute Python bundled with an enterprise-class GUI > library and IDE? Well, a nice thing to have, but besides my point. We do have a standard library with a robust GUI package, and a standard distribution with a so-called IDE. What I really want is a better GUI included into the standard library. >> However, in my opinion we don't need yet another binding so thin >> that C or C++ is shining through, but a modern replacement for >> Tkinter with its Pythonic way of thinking. > > I don't particularly like Tkinter, but it seems to me that it's > pretty much won. It seems to be installed on every desktop > platform along with Python. That means that if I want to > distribute GUI apps, I'm going to cause the least headache for my > end users by writing them in Tkinter. A "replacement for Tkinter" would have the same properties, otherwise it wouldn't be a replacement. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
