Too bad Bill Arnold isn't involved in this discussion, it would take the whole rackspace cloud down.
--- On Mon, 11/8/10, geoff <[email protected]> wrote: > From: geoff <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [OT] On christian mythology > To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:34 AM > Why I object? Because you sound like > a pompous windbag! And when you deign > to post less than 1000 words you are merely pompous. > > Geoff Flight > General Manager > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > Of Publius Maximus > Sent: Monday, 8 November 2010 7:54 PM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: [OT] On christian mythology > > Geoff: > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:09 AM, geoff <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Perhaps you should realise that this is not an > academic journal but rather > > an opinion thread. > > To characterize my posts as academic or scholarly is, shall > we say, > quite kind. However, all they are, are consciously-formed > arguments in > support of my opinion. In any case, I try to develop them > into > coherent arguments. I can't fathom why you object to this. > > > I can certainly write an academically rigourous > article > > on Faith if you would wish. But no one would thank me. > Like so many (so > > many!!) posts of yours before you feel the need to > expansively explain > every > > single concept and exclusion or codicil on every topic > that you end up > > writing screeds and screeds when a simple opinion with > moderate support is > > all that is required. Just see i f it is possible to > actually write on a > > topic without doing an exclusive treatise! Others can > do it - so can you. > > I did write on topic and it was 3 bullet points. Hardly an > exhaustive > treatise. > > I think you suffer from a little modus ponens envy. > > - Publius > > > > > Geoff Flight > > General Manager > > > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > > Of Publius Maximus > > Sent: Monday, 8 November 2010 6:20 PM > > To: ProFox Email List > > Subject: Re: [OT] On christian mythology > > > > Geoff: > > > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:32 AM, geoff <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> And I finally pretty much agree with you. Works > come out of salvation but > >> are not what defines it. I am aware of the > passages you wrote and I > > contend > >> that neither affects salvation by grace alone - > which was the actual > > topic. > > > > Actually, the actual topic was whether angels have > free will. ;) > > > >> Just please keep in mind that most people (almost > everyone actually) > > submits > >> their beliefs in a thread like this without > putting up a treatise on > every > >> aspect or issue related to it. You don't need to > suggest that I don't > know > >> the topic exceptionally well because I don't put > up a 15,000 word > >> dissertation on it. > > > > I don't suggest this because of your lack of words, > but rather, the > > words you chose to use belie a certain lack of > intellectual rigor and > > spiritual honesty. > > > >> Salvation is by faith alone and yes IT IS THAT > SIMPLE. > > > > If it were that simple, all would be saved. All would > be called, and > > all would be chosen. What is difficult about it is not > the "simple" > > truth, but the application of that truth in our lives. > THAT is > > anything but simple, and so some twelve hundred pages > of Scripture > > were revealed to provide the searching soul with > answers to all the > > questions, yea, even the ones Geoff deems beneath a > few paragraphs of > > effort to answer. > > > > - Publius > > > >> Geoff Flight > >> General Manager > >> > >> Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > >> 58 Norrie Ave > >> Clovelly Park 5042 > >> P: +61 8 8277 6380 M: 0414 965 226 F: +61 8 8177 > 1290 W: www.srit.com.au > > E: > >> [email protected] > >> TAKE THE SURVEY! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/976V5JT > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf > >> Of Publius Maximus > >> Sent: Monday, 8 November 2010 5:56 PM > >> To: ProFox Email List > >> Subject: Re: [OT] On christian mythology > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:38 AM, geoff <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> You just asked one of the central questions of > the Reformation - and got > >> it > >>> wrong. Salvation is by faith alone - not of > works (eph 2: 8,9). And it > >>> really IS that clear. > >> > >> True: salvation is by faith alone, and grace is > sufficient. Works are, > >> however, the outward manifestation of that > salvation, rooted in the > >> case of a truly saved person in love, such that if > there are none, or > >> a man's works contradict his faith, he needs to > check his faith. And > >> by logical extension, his salvation. > >> > >> Works don't save you, but a man who does no good > works, or does them > >> out of anything but love (e.g., some people do > good works out of fear > >> of damnation), is probably not saved, because he > has not really > >> accepted and internalized that grace. > >> > >> Or did you skip over the parts that say, e.g., > "Faith without works is > >> dead" (James 2:20) and "If a man says he loves > God, but hates his > >> brother, the same is a liar, and there is no truth > in him" (1 John > >> 4:20)? > >> > >> The proposition may be "that simple" but its > implications are profound > >> and by no means "simplistic." > >> > >> - Publius > >> > >>> Geoff Flight > >>> General Manager > >>> > >>> Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty > Ltd > >>> > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. 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