Perhaps you should realise that this is not an academic journal but rather an opinion thread. I can certainly write an academically rigourous article on Faith if you would wish. But no one would thank me. Like so many (so many!!) posts of yours before you feel the need to expansively explain every single concept and exclusion or codicil on every topic that you end up writing screeds and screeds when a simple opinion with moderate support is all that is required. Just see i f it is possible to actually write on a topic without doing an exclusive treatise! Others can do it - so can you.
Geoff Flight General Manager Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Publius Maximus Sent: Monday, 8 November 2010 6:20 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] On christian mythology Geoff: On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:32 AM, geoff <[email protected]> wrote: > And I finally pretty much agree with you. Works come out of salvation but > are not what defines it. I am aware of the passages you wrote and I contend > that neither affects salvation by grace alone - which was the actual topic. Actually, the actual topic was whether angels have free will. ;) > Just please keep in mind that most people (almost everyone actually) submits > their beliefs in a thread like this without putting up a treatise on every > aspect or issue related to it. You don't need to suggest that I don't know > the topic exceptionally well because I don't put up a 15,000 word > dissertation on it. I don't suggest this because of your lack of words, but rather, the words you chose to use belie a certain lack of intellectual rigor and spiritual honesty. > Salvation is by faith alone and yes IT IS THAT SIMPLE. If it were that simple, all would be saved. All would be called, and all would be chosen. What is difficult about it is not the "simple" truth, but the application of that truth in our lives. THAT is anything but simple, and so some twelve hundred pages of Scripture were revealed to provide the searching soul with answers to all the questions, yea, even the ones Geoff deems beneath a few paragraphs of effort to answer. - Publius > Geoff Flight > General Manager > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > 58 Norrie Ave > Clovelly Park 5042 > P: +61 8 8277 6380 M: 0414 965 226 F: +61 8 8177 1290 W: www.srit.com.au E: > [email protected] > TAKE THE SURVEY! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/976V5JT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Publius Maximus > Sent: Monday, 8 November 2010 5:56 PM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: [OT] On christian mythology > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:38 AM, geoff <[email protected]> wrote: >> You just asked one of the central questions of the Reformation - and got > it >> wrong. Salvation is by faith alone - not of works (eph 2: 8,9). And it >> really IS that clear. > > True: salvation is by faith alone, and grace is sufficient. Works are, > however, the outward manifestation of that salvation, rooted in the > case of a truly saved person in love, such that if there are none, or > a man's works contradict his faith, he needs to check his faith. And > by logical extension, his salvation. > > Works don't save you, but a man who does no good works, or does them > out of anything but love (e.g., some people do good works out of fear > of damnation), is probably not saved, because he has not really > accepted and internalized that grace. > > Or did you skip over the parts that say, e.g., "Faith without works is > dead" (James 2:20) and "If a man says he loves God, but hates his > brother, the same is a liar, and there is no truth in him" (1 John > 4:20)? > > The proposition may be "that simple" but its implications are profound > and by no means "simplistic." > > - Publius > >> Geoff Flight >> General Manager >> >> Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd >> > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
