Good evening. Ralph Seichter via Postfix-users wrote in <d6pfgwpnioa8.14ff0um64q...@ml.seichter.de>: |* Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users: |> There is nothing to link. postfix already supports SRV. [...] | |Seriously? You refer to a draft, then don't bother to link to it, or
Normally, yes. |mention that you are the author, with an agenda to boot? What a strange |way to try to initiate a discussion. One might suspect that you are I did not want to initiate a discussion, actually. |trying to avoid dissent and to circumvent the formal procedure of how |IETF drafts are handled. Trying to get software authors to implement |certain features and create facts, too. It was indeed quite the other way around, as you know very well, and therefore *exactly* as i wrote in the initial message. To reiterate that. The author of one of the "big" and widely used Open Source MTAs, exim that is, had implemented the draft by himself (despite all the errors it, in fact, and still, has) and contacted me, and i said that i ask Wietse Venema for that. My initial plan was a bit different, .. mostly meaning "all that later". But, you know, if such a software signals interests in saving billions of useless roundtrips and packets -- and even more, in fact, as Jeremy had written that with Implicit TLS it is possible to attach initial SMTP data to the TLS handshake packet (and ditto at the tail), so the saving can be even more, then i happily jump on this train *immediately*. Of course. Thank you. |> I surely am not keen to convince you of anything. And .. i skip the |> rest. It is totally and utter nonsense. Worse is that you know that. | |Mr. Nurpmeso, you may want to reconsider your approach to garnering |community support. Attempts at insulting people are unlikely to help Wait. I am not looking for community support. These were Jeremy Harris' words, and therefore (i interpret it here) meant in an IETF context. (Not that i am part of IETF proper.) So community meant IETF, and that usually (i am guessing here) means asking for presentation time slices at events, "making friends", and promoting the idea. It has *nothing* to do with the community you seem to think about. That much is plain. Otherwise, recalling the noise *i* heard over a decade ago, SMTPS would not have "become" SUBMISSIONS, but be made valid as such apart of the additional SUBMISSIONS, *many* years ago. I mean come on, are you serious?! SMTPS, DMARC, ARC, etc. HAHAHA!! No. Btw it pisses me off that exactly Germans speak up like so since we have that law in Germany which uses *exactly* the mechanism i propose for one, not to mention that our secret service, together with those americans for which i would blindly guess they do that anyway, fooled other countries for decades in the crypto area, and also taking into account that surrounding that telegram founder inprisonment a terrible amount of "fool the stupid" articles about safety of several communication channels swept over the German media, as if that would be necessary given backdoors of certain kind, likely not even looking at you kaspersky, and with the former polish and more governments trying to push regular backdoors in the certificate mechanism. So in short, Implicit TLS is used also in email communication for decades, and finally pushing SMTP for the masses over that hurdle is absolutely a tremendous improvement over a shitty status quo. The pity is that *i* little piece of shit have to come on over with an english RFC draft. That much is plain. Other than that i personally would not even have invented submission as such, it would simply be normal SMTP but on a dedicated port so that different policies can be applied, and that includes name expansion and addition of some missing headers. Not less, but certainly not more. |you. Ignoring relevant objections won't work either. I stand by my |opinion that your draft does not address, let alone solve, real-world |problems. STARTTLS on the other hand has proven to be robust and |definitely "good enough". No relevant objection i have seen. And the rest is utter rubbish. Thank you. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) | |In Fall and Winter, feel "The Dropbear Bard"s pint(er). | |The banded bear |without a care, |Banged on himself for e'er and e'er | |Farewell, dear collar bear _______________________________________________ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
