It isn't IMO
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Ross Tajvar <r...@tajvar.io> wrote: > I am also interested in hearing about this. I think it's relevant to the > current thread. > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 11:22 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > >> If there is history about HE I should know before signing up with them >> I'd love to know off list. >> >> If it's just between you and HE I hope it wasn't too bad, and I'd be >> happy to listen, but I don't feel like it's something you need to share at >> all. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> >> Suite 1337 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> >> Troy, OH 45373 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: >> >>> Cogent is bigger. >>> >>> HE is more widely peered, especially in IPv6. >>> >>> I may be somewhat prejudice, though I don’t work for HE any more. Most >>> on this list know the history so I won’t repeat it here. >>> >>> Owen >>> >>> >>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 05:39 , Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>> I guess first thing's first... you aren't doing anything to force the >>> traffic that way, are you? >>> >>> If you've got IPv6 deployed, chances are that no Google will be coming >>> over that Cogent. :-) >>> >>> CAIDA says Cogent is bigger. >>> >>> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/174/as-core >>> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/6939/as-core >>> >>> Being an eyeball network, what's going to impact that kind of usage the >>> most is where the next up connections to Netflix, Google, Akamai, >>> Cloudflare, etc. are located. If they're closer via HE than Cogent, that's >>> where your traffic will come from. >>> >>> Looking at your network specifically, Netflix isn't on either IX that >>> you're on, so that HE traffic very well could be a majority Netflix. >>> >>> What do your netflows say? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org >>> *Sent: *Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: Whats going on at Cogent >>> >>> Is he.net smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had 6.7 Gbps >>> peak from our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from our Cogent link. This is >>> inbound traffic. We are eyeballs and our outbound is a small fraction of >>> our inbound. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Baldur >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Dovid Bender <do...@telecurve.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We have been very happy with HE. It was a no brainer over cogent. They >>>> are smaller (so are we). When there are issues they are real fast to fix >>>> them, you also get the personal touch which you don't get with others. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Dugas <edu...@unknowndevice.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't really get the Cogent/Google peering issues. I've been hearing >>>>> this for years... How about fixing it already? Telling customer to get >>>>> other transit providers to get to a given network is really bad. >>>>> >>>>> On a side note, HE is still HE but they're trying really hard to be a >>>>> good netcitizen. They've finally pushed filtering for peers: >>>>> http://routing.he.net. I wouldn't get transit from them, but in some >>>>> markets, they're the only affordable IP transit providers. >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 16 2018, at 10:04 am, DaKnOb <daknob....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the >>>>> lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a >>>>> different provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send >>>>> my >>>>> traffic from there. >>>>> >>>>> About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also seen an >>>>> increase in salespeople calling, for example when an AS is registered etc. >>>>> in addition to the normal calls.. >>>>> >>>>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:54, Dovid Bender <do...@telecurve.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I >>>>> wasn't interested because of the HE issue. I have yet to get another >>>>> email....... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By <cb.li...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard < >>>>> dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he >>>>> has no ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so we’re slowly removing >>>>> circuits, but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been >>>>> stable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yep, this. Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them. >>>>> Black-holing HE and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what they do if i use a >>>>> default route from them, is dead on arrival. Shows they make bad >>>>> decisions >>>>> and dont put the customer first, or even create such an illusion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of Ryan Gelobter < >>>>> rya...@atwgpc.net> >>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM >>>>> *To: *NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> >>>>> *Subject: *Whats going on at Cogent >>>>> >>>>> Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account >>>>> people at Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over >>>>> there internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been >>>>> crap >>>>> but in the past their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems >>>>> to have gone downhill the last 12 months really bad. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>
