Cogent is bigger. HE is more widely peered, especially in IPv6.
I may be somewhat prejudice, though I don’t work for HE any more. Most on this list know the history so I won’t repeat it here. Owen > On Oct 21, 2018, at 05:39 , Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > I guess first thing's first... you aren't doing anything to force the > traffic that way, are you? > > If you've got IPv6 deployed, chances are that no Google will be coming over > that Cogent. :-) > > CAIDA says Cogent is bigger. > > http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/174/as-core > <http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/174/as-core> > http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/6939/as-core > <http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/6939/as-core> > > Being an eyeball network, what's going to impact that kind of usage the most > is where the next up connections to Netflix, Google, Akamai, Cloudflare, etc. > are located. If they're closer via HE than Cogent, that's where your traffic > will come from. > > Looking at your network specifically, Netflix isn't on either IX that you're > on, so that HE traffic very well could be a majority Netflix. > > What do your netflows say? > > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Baldur Norddahl" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM > Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent > > Is he.net <http://he.net/> smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had > 6.7 Gbps peak from our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from our Cogent link. This > is inbound traffic. We are eyeballs and our outbound is a small fraction of > our inbound. > > Regards. > > Baldur > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Dovid Bender <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > We have been very happy with HE. It was a no brainer over cogent. They are > smaller (so are we). When there are issues they are real fast to fix them, > you also get the personal touch which you don't get with others. > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Dugas <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I don't really get the Cogent/Google peering issues. I've been hearing this > for years... How about fixing it already? Telling customer to get other > transit providers to get to a given network is really bad. > > On a side note, HE is still HE but they're trying really hard to be a good > netcitizen. They've finally pushed filtering for peers: http://routing.he.net > <http://routing.he.net/>. I wouldn't get transit from them, but in some > markets, they're the only affordable IP transit providers. > > On Oct 16 2018, at 10:04 am, DaKnOb <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the lovely > cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a different > provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my traffic > from there. > > About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also seen an increase in > salespeople calling, for example when an AS is registered etc. in addition to > the normal calls.. > > On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:54, Dovid Bender <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I wasn't > interested because of the HE issue. I have yet to get another email....... > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he has no > ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so we’re slowly removing circuits, > but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been stable. > > > > Yep, this. Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them. Black-holing HE > and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what they do if i use a default route from > them, is dead on arrival. Shows they make bad decisions and dont put the > customer first, or even create such an illusion. > > > > > From: NANOG <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on > behalf of Ryan Gelobter <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM > To: NANOG <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Whats going on at Cogent > > Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account people > at Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over there > internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap but in > the past their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems to have > gone downhill the last 12 months really bad. > > Regards, > Ryan
