I am also interested in hearing about this. I think it's relevant to the current thread.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 11:22 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > If there is history about HE I should know before signing up with them I'd > love to know off list. > > If it's just between you and HE I hope it wasn't too bad, and I'd be happy > to listen, but I don't feel like it's something you need to share at all. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: > >> Cogent is bigger. >> >> HE is more widely peered, especially in IPv6. >> >> I may be somewhat prejudice, though I don’t work for HE any more. Most on >> this list know the history so I won’t repeat it here. >> >> Owen >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2018, at 05:39 , Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> I guess first thing's first... you aren't doing anything to force the >> traffic that way, are you? >> >> If you've got IPv6 deployed, chances are that no Google will be coming >> over that Cogent. :-) >> >> CAIDA says Cogent is bigger. >> >> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/174/as-core >> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/6939/as-core >> >> Being an eyeball network, what's going to impact that kind of usage the >> most is where the next up connections to Netflix, Google, Akamai, >> Cloudflare, etc. are located. If they're closer via HE than Cogent, that's >> where your traffic will come from. >> >> Looking at your network specifically, Netflix isn't on either IX that >> you're on, so that HE traffic very well could be a majority Netflix. >> >> What do your netflows say? >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com> >> *To: *nanog@nanog.org >> *Sent: *Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM >> *Subject: *Re: Whats going on at Cogent >> >> Is he.net smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had 6.7 Gbps >> peak from our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from our Cogent link. This is >> inbound traffic. We are eyeballs and our outbound is a small fraction of >> our inbound. >> >> Regards. >> >> Baldur >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Dovid Bender <do...@telecurve.com> wrote: >> >>> We have been very happy with HE. It was a no brainer over cogent. They >>> are smaller (so are we). When there are issues they are real fast to fix >>> them, you also get the personal touch which you don't get with others. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Dugas <edu...@unknowndevice.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't really get the Cogent/Google peering issues. I've been hearing >>>> this for years... How about fixing it already? Telling customer to get >>>> other transit providers to get to a given network is really bad. >>>> >>>> On a side note, HE is still HE but they're trying really hard to be a >>>> good netcitizen. They've finally pushed filtering for peers: >>>> http://routing.he.net. I wouldn't get transit from them, but in some >>>> markets, they're the only affordable IP transit providers. >>>> >>>> On Oct 16 2018, at 10:04 am, DaKnOb <daknob....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the >>>> lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a >>>> different provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my >>>> traffic from there. >>>> >>>> About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also seen an >>>> increase in salespeople calling, for example when an AS is registered etc. >>>> in addition to the normal calls.. >>>> >>>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:54, Dovid Bender <do...@telecurve.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I >>>> wasn't interested because of the HE issue. I have yet to get another >>>> email....... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By <cb.li...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard < >>>> dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he has >>>> no ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so we’re slowly removing >>>> circuits, but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been >>>> stable. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yep, this. Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them. >>>> Black-holing HE and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what they do if i use a >>>> default route from them, is dead on arrival. Shows they make bad decisions >>>> and dont put the customer first, or even create such an illusion. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of Ryan Gelobter < >>>> rya...@atwgpc.net> >>>> *Date: *Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM >>>> *To: *NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> >>>> *Subject: *Whats going on at Cogent >>>> >>>> Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account >>>> people at Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over >>>> there internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap >>>> but in the past their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems >>>> to have gone downhill the last 12 months really bad. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>> >> >
