I, for one, would not want to start having to pay RIPE-level fees. ARIN fees are a much better deal than RIPE fees.
Owen On Mar 27, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Cb B <cb.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 27, 2014 3:03 PM, "John Curran" <jcur...@istaff.org> wrote: >> >> And I would welcome discussion of how ARIN (and nanog) can be more like > RIPE - that is very much up to this community and its participation far > more than ARIN.. >> >> /John >> > > How about we fold ARIN into RIPE? Why not? I agree with all of Randy's > points. I am sure RIPE can easily scale up to take on ARIN services, with > fees being reduced for all involved due to economies of scale. > > CB > >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:27 AM, Randy Bush <ra...@psg.com> wrote: >>> >>> john, >>> >>> i think your attemt to move the discussion to the arin ppml list >>> exemplifies one core of the problem. this is not about address policy, >>> but arin thinks of itelf as a regulator not a registry. >>> >>> contrast with the ripe community and the ncc, which is not nirvana but >>> is a hell of a lot better. among other key differences, the ncc is >>> engaged with the community through technical and business working >>> groups. >>> >>> e.g. the database working group covers what you think of as whois and >>> the routing registry. the wg developed the darned irr definition and >>> continues to evolve it. consequence? the irr is actively used in two >>> regions in the world, europe and japan (which likes anything ocd:-). >>> >>> the routing wg works with the ops to develop routing technology such as >>> route flap damping. there is a reason that serious ops attend ripe >>> meetings. yes, a whole lot of folk with enable are engaged. >>> >>> for years there has been a wg on the global layer nine issues. >>> >>> the dns wg deals with reverse delegation, root server ops, etc. and >>> guess what, all the dns heavy techs and ops are engaged. >>> >>> there is a wg for discussing what services the ncc offers. the recent >>> simplification and opening of services to legacy and PI holders happened >>> in the ncc services wg, it was about services not addressing policy. >>> >>> and this is aside from daniel's global measurement empire. not sure it >>> is a registry's job to do this, but it is a serious contribution to the >>> internet. >>> >>> the ncc is engaged with its community on the subhects that actually >>> interest operators and affect our daily lives. >>> >>> there is nothing of interest at an arin meeting, a bunch of junior >>> wannabe regulators and vigilantes making an embarrassing mess. i've >>> even taken to skipping nanog, if ras talks i can watch the recording. >>> all the cool kids will be in warsaw. ops vote with our feet. >>> >>> randy >>> >>
