On Mar 27, 2014 3:03 PM, "John Curran" <jcur...@istaff.org> wrote: > > And I would welcome discussion of how ARIN (and nanog) can be more like RIPE - that is very much up to this community and its participation far more than ARIN.. > > /John >
How about we fold ARIN into RIPE? Why not? I agree with all of Randy's points. I am sure RIPE can easily scale up to take on ARIN services, with fees being reduced for all involved due to economies of scale. CB > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:27 AM, Randy Bush <ra...@psg.com> wrote: > > > > john, > > > > i think your attemt to move the discussion to the arin ppml list > > exemplifies one core of the problem. this is not about address policy, > > but arin thinks of itelf as a regulator not a registry. > > > > contrast with the ripe community and the ncc, which is not nirvana but > > is a hell of a lot better. among other key differences, the ncc is > > engaged with the community through technical and business working > > groups. > > > > e.g. the database working group covers what you think of as whois and > > the routing registry. the wg developed the darned irr definition and > > continues to evolve it. consequence? the irr is actively used in two > > regions in the world, europe and japan (which likes anything ocd:-). > > > > the routing wg works with the ops to develop routing technology such as > > route flap damping. there is a reason that serious ops attend ripe > > meetings. yes, a whole lot of folk with enable are engaged. > > > > for years there has been a wg on the global layer nine issues. > > > > the dns wg deals with reverse delegation, root server ops, etc. and > > guess what, all the dns heavy techs and ops are engaged. > > > > there is a wg for discussing what services the ncc offers. the recent > > simplification and opening of services to legacy and PI holders happened > > in the ncc services wg, it was about services not addressing policy. > > > > and this is aside from daniel's global measurement empire. not sure it > > is a registry's job to do this, but it is a serious contribution to the > > internet. > > > > the ncc is engaged with its community on the subhects that actually > > interest operators and affect our daily lives. > > > > there is nothing of interest at an arin meeting, a bunch of junior > > wannabe regulators and vigilantes making an embarrassing mess. i've > > even taken to skipping nanog, if ras talks i can watch the recording. > > all the cool kids will be in warsaw. ops vote with our feet. > > > > randy > > >
