On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 03:41:50PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 03:16:46PM +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
meanwhile, kevin has been actively hostile towards changes he didn't
deem "minimal enough".  that's a reliable way to make sure the code
base is stale, rather than stable.

I don't think that's quite a fair characterization either,

i just went through about three years of list activity (mid 2016 to mid 2019), and have a somewhat solid recollection of recent activity, so i'm *quite* confident about that characterization.

- don't be so conservative about the types of changes you accept, in
particular when it comes to internals.

[...] In large part its conservatism is WHY it sucked less [...]

mutt's design philosophy more or less boils down to "minimal features, maximal configurability+extensibility", and it makes sense to be conservative about it (within reason), especially when redundant features or outright misfeatures are being proposed. but within that framework there is still a lot of room for different *development* philosophies, and that's where mutt needs improvement.

also, don't let derek have the last word too often, because, duh. :-D

I'll point out that [...]

dude, chill - if i was really serious about that, you'd be hearing from me much more often. also, there would be no huge smiley above. ;-) you do however have a tendency to make an elephant out of a mole hill when it comes to the investment cost of changes, completely ignoring the opportunity cost of *not* doing them - and that is symptomatic of the culture here.

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