On 2016.06.03 18:49, ⚛ wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Nicolai Hähnle <nhaeh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 03.06.2016 13:12, wrote: >>> >>> Situation: Looking at the content displayed by the web browser for URL >>> http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/project/mesa/series and sub-pages >>> accessible via the links. >> >> >> Patchwork isn't really central to most people's workflow as far as I >> understand it. > > Ok. But how does a developer know (better: gets notified) when a patch > has been accepted and added to mainline mesa-git? Viewing all git log > messages every day because - just in case - the patch _might_ have > been added to mesa-git seems quite inefficient to me.
I only ever sent one (1) patch to mesa "out-of-the-blue", so I believe I can speak from a "newcomer" POV here. I did not know about this patchwork thing until You mentioned it here. I just sent my patch to mesa-dev and waited. It did get some comments right away, but did not get reviewed for quite a while. That prompted me to simply ask on IRC about it. I got promptly informed that the person who can review it was tad busy at the time, so he might take a some time to do it. When it did get reviewed and committed, I knew instantly. By automation, as You suggest. By adding a simple filter rule in my mailing client to alert me when something gets pushed to mesa-commit mailing list containing my name. As I like to say it in such cases "wow, that was hard" \_(:_/ So, as a by definition and "outsider"/"newcomer" contributor I can say I encountered zero problems with the process. >> Most of your questions' answers naturally fall out from that. > > Not in my world. > >> This mailing list is what's important. > > In my opinion, now isn't the 1990-ties. (This is just my personal > opinion, you do not need to agree with it.) > >>> - What is the influence of the default ordering (URL suffix >>> "?ordering=-last_updated") on the behavior of reviewers? >> >> Probably zero, because I doubt people go via Patchwork. > > In that case, the process might be even less efficient than I though. > >>> - What about those patches on the 10th page from previous year? Why >>> are they in the list? >> >> Nothing. >> >>> - Do patch submitters regularly clean up outdated patches? >> >> No. >> >>> - Does a patch submitter receive a notification email when he/she >>> forgets about a patch over time? >> >> No. >> >>> It seems to me that the current review process isn't as efficient as it >>> can be. >> >> To be blunt: that may be the case, but even if so, it's extremely unlikely >> bordering on the impossible that comments from the sideline from somebody >> who hasn't got an experience of contributing could ever be helpful. > > Outsiders and enemies. That is so ... cool. Again, I was and still am very much an outsider, I should say. But a bit of sincere modesty goes a long way. And it did for me. Please do note that I am just sharing my experiences and providing and opinion of a "newcomer"/"outsider" here. And my opinion is that it is not broken. And what is not broken does not need any fixing. I do not know how You are, Mr./Ms./Mrs. Atom-icon. Since that means You could be anything from a lowly troll to a wizard in disguise dispensing wisdom, I shall not dare to question Your credibility on the matter, but I must point out that this makes it tad complicated to take You as someone serious instead of someone who is just bored and has nothing better to do. I believe You should realize that. Lastly, I agree that some points You made do make a lot sense "on paper". Sadly, that does not mean they always end up being good in practice. Since I do plan on contributing to mesa again in the future, I am quite eager to see how this turns out in the end, so I shall be watching closely. Oh boy! :] Those are my 2¢ I Hope the currency of the said 2¢ is strong, making it a valuable 2¢, if You catch my drift... ;] - Gediminas Jakutis LDK Varčiai www.varciai.lt
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