On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 07:32 AM, hari kumar wrote: > > I think (maybe wrong and misunderstanding you here) that you were saying > fascism is brought in by the bourgeoisie at a time that its' bourgeois > 'normal' channel rule of bourgeois democracy is threatened imminently by a > working class rising power. I do not think this was the case in Italy:
You’re not wrong, Hari. My statement that " Mussolini’s fascists...crushed the left-led unions and peasant leagues well before taking power” was. The analysis of your Marxist-Leninist comrades in the Communist League document you provided regrading the Turin factory occupation as a turning point in the rise of fascism also corresponds to other analyses such as that of the Trotskyist International Marxist Tendency https://www.marxist.com/italy-lost-revolution091002.htm. ( https://www.marxist.com/italy-lost-revolution091002.htm ) They blame the capitulation of the social democratic leadership of the Socialist Party and CGL in the great wave of insurrectionary factory occupations in Northern Italy in 1920 as the precipitating factor paving the way for the fascists to take power two years later. We very likely agree that the fascist bands of demobilized soldiers and assorted riff-raff were already the instruments of capitalists and landlords alarmed before then by the strikes, land seizures, demonstrations, and other militant activity of workers and peasants in the immediate aftermath of the world war and Russian Revolution. This was a widespread phenomenon across Europe. So was the fact that the propertied classes did not uniformly support the fascist bands with some hoping the unrest could be contained by the repressive agencies of the bourgeois democratic political system, their preferred choice. The outcome of the 1920 factory occupations not only demoralized the working class, but the occupations from the beginning further shook the bourgeoisie and made the fascists more attractive to its wavering elements. That’s the meaning I attach to your comrades’ statement that the “large scale” backing of the fascist movement by the Italian bourgeoisie began after October 1920, not that this alliance had not existed before. Thanks for improving my understanding and I hope our views are now aligned. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#29439): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/29439 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/104893002/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
