Good am Marv: I am not saying Mussolini was a 'good guy' - there may be a misunderstanding.
I think (maybe wrong and misunderstanding you here) that you were saying fascism is brought in by the bourgeoisie at a time that its' bourgeois 'normal' channel rule of bourgeois democracy is threatened imminently by a working class rising power. I do not think this was the case in Italy: "The resistance of the Italian working class to fascism was made especially difficult by a number of factors: Firstly, fascism in 1922 was a new international phenomenon and many people were deceived by its demagogic "anti-capitalist" propaganda into believing its claims to be a "revolutionary" movement - claims which were lent colour to by the adherence to fascism of many "revolutionary" anarcho-syndicalists. Secondly, there existed no Marxist-Leninist party, following a scientific strategy and tactics and with mass influence among the working class, which could mobilise the class forces, against whose interests fascism, was directed, into the only channel capable of successfully resisting the fascist offensive - the anti-fascist united front. - The open and concealed reformist leaders of the Italian Socialist Party advised the party's members and supporters not to participate in organised resistance to fascism, but to "ignore" it - advice repeated almost word for word by the leaders - of the Social-Democratic Party of Germany in the early 1930's and by the leaders of the British Labour Party today. "The Communist Party of Italy was formed only in January 1921 and had been unable to win significant mass influence among the working class before the coup of October 1922. Although urged by the Communist International, of which the party was a section, to form a united front against fascism, the party was led at this time by a left-sectarian group, headed by Amadeo Bordiga which categorically rejected these correct tactics. To the leadership of the CPI: 1) 'Parliamentary Democracy" and fascism were both forms of the dictatorship of monopoly capital, and a revolutionary party had "no interest" in defending the democratic rights and liberties possessed by the working class under the former; the task of a revolutionary party was "not to defend but to destroy", parliamentary democracy"..... -------------CLIP------------------------------NEXT QUOTATIONS--------------------- "The theory that fascism was brought to power in Italy as a "preventive measure" directed against the "threat" of socialist revolution was a feature of fascist propaganda. One of the earliest books on Italian fascism, by Luigi Fabbri (Bologna; 1922) was entitled "La contro-rivoluzione preventiva", (The Preventive Counter-Revolution). Even before the fascist coup of October 1922, Librero Tancredi told an election meeting in Turin on April 15th., 1921 that the fascist "Combat Groupe" had arisen because of: "the violence of the Socialist and Communist Parties, which wished to destroy the values of the victorious nation and provoke revolution". (L.Tancredi: Speech of April 15th., 1921, cited in: M.Clark. "The Failure of Revolution in Italy: 1919-1920";. Reading; 1973; p.26). This theory was repeated by right-wing social-democrats In a speech in Milan on September 10th., 1922, Camillo Prampolini: "concluded that if the activity of himself and of his comrades had failed to prevent the onset of bourgeois reaction, the responsibility lies only with the supporters of revolution and of the dictatorship of the proletariat". (C.Prappolini : Speech of September 10th., 1922, cited in : M.Clark; Ibid.; p. 26). The large-scale backing of the fascist movement by Italian Big Business and its state began in October 1920. The process of bringing to power a fascist government was accomplished in three stages: Firstly, using the fascist apparatus of force - with arms and officers provided by the army, and with the connivance of the police - to weaken the organisations of the working class and peasantry: Secondly, transforming the fascist movement, into a "respectable" political party and bringing it - through membership of the "National Bloc" headed by Prime Minister Giovanni Giolitti, the "Old Fox" -- into the framework of "parliamentary democracy". Thirdly, through a combination of the processes of stages one and two, bringing about through the "March on Rome" of October 1922. the establishment of a movement dominated by the fascists which would proceed to replace "parliamentary democracy" bv an open totalitarian dictatorship. Was this large-scale backing of the fascist movement by Italian Big Business in October 1920 - October 1922 the result of a "threat" of socialist revolution? In answering this question it must be noted: Firstly;" that the large-scale backing of the fascist movement by Italian Big Business began (in October 1920) after the Italian working class had suffered a serious defeat (the sell-out of the occupation of the factories, in September 1920) which had left the whole working class significantly demoralised: "The workers' movement emerged from the struggle enervated and disillusioned". (C. de Rosa : "Storia del partito popolare" (History of the Popular Party); Bari; 1958; p. 144). Secondly, the defeat was followed by a serious decline in the strength of all workers' organisations. Thirdly, the trade union movement continued to be led by objectively counter-revolutionary elements; Fourthly, the Italian Socialist Party continued to be led by objectively counter-revolutionary elements; and Fifthly, the Communist Party of Italy - which might have been the vanguard party of the working class - was formed only in 1921 ; its influence within the working class was small; and it was led by left-sectarian elements, headed by Amadeo Bordiga, incapable of winning for the party mass influence among the working Class. Clearly, if "parliamentary democracy" could no longer function in Italy in 1920-22 in the interests of monopoly capital, it was not because of the "threat" of socialist revolution. Mussolini himself admits this. Already in December 1920 he was writing of: ".. the death-rattle of Italian bolshevism, which is mortally stricken". (B. Mussolini: Article in "The People of Italy"; December 31st; 1920, cited in: C.Seton-Watson: "Italy from Liberalism to Fascism: 18870-1925"; London; 1967; p. 576.) On July 2nd., 1921 he wrote: "To maintain the the bolshevik danger still exists in Italy is to mistake fear for reality. Bolshevism has been conquered". (Mussolini: Article in "The People Of Italy", July 2nd., 1921, cited in: ibid.; p. 576). And on July 12-13th. 1921, he told be National Council of the fascist "Combat Groups": "It is ridiculous at the present time to talk as if the Italian working class were heading for bolshevism. You all know that the state of mind of the working classes is fundamentally different from what it was two years ago". (B. Mussolini: Address to the National Council, Combat Groups, 12-13th July 1921, cited in "A.Rossi" (A:Tasca): "The Rise of Italian Fascism: 1918-1922"; London; 1938; p.142). Perhaps, therefore, the large-scale backing of the fascist movement by Italian Big Business in 1920-22 was not because "parliamentary democracy" could no longer function in the interests of monopoly capital. Perhaps, its motives were purely psychological - as Angelo Tasca suggests: "The occupation of the factories gave the bourgeoisie a psychological shock, which explains their fury and guided their successive steps. The sense of property and the authority of the industrialists was hit; evicted from their factories, they saw work going on, for better or worse, in their absence. . . . After a few days of bitterness and uncertainty; during which their chief feeling was a deep grudge against Giolitti, who had failed to back them up, and had forced control of their industries on them bu decree, their reaction took the form of a fight to the death against the working class and the 'liberal' state. . The factories were haunted by evil spirits which must be exorcised. . .The evil spirits were to be exorcised by direct and violent action; the hour of fascism had come; . . The industrialists and landowners were livid with rage and ready for anything, willing to sell their souls for revenge. The bloodshed and the fires which were to destroy the offices of hundreds of working-class and socialist organisations and the homes of 'red' and even 'white' workers seemed to them the ritual of an atonement ceremony, necessary to purify the violated temple of property". ('A. Rossi' (A.Tasca): "The Rise of Italian Fascism: 1918-1922"; London; 1938; p.80,81,82). But Marxist-Leninists understand that, the ideas which motivate people to take a certain course of action do not arise by chance, out of the thin air; these ideas reflect reality. And when members of the monopoly capitalist class have ideas sufficiently in common to motivate them to try to change the whole superstructure of society, then these ideas reflect not mere whim, but a conviction that their fundamental interests require such a change. Tasca, in the passage cited above, hints at this when he refers to the anger of the monopoly capitalists that, during the occupation of the factories, the "parliamentary democratic" state had failed to protect their property. But anger and thirst for revenge, are sentiments, which are soon dissipated. To carry through the carefully planned, long-term process of replacing "parliamentary democracy" ( the "normal" form of state under capitalism) by a fascist dictatorship, the decisive strata of monopoly capital had to be convinced that this failure was not an isolated occurrence unlikely to be repeated. but was likely to be an intolerable feature of Italian society for a long time to come. "Parliamentary democracy" can function effectively in the interests of monopoly capital only when: Firstly, the trade union bureaucrats can control the mass of the workers, can damp 'down militancy and prevent this from manifesting itself in ways, which seriously affect the profitability of monopoly capital; and Secondly, when political parties serving the interests of monopoly capital and operating within the framework of "parliamentary democracy" retain the support of the masses of working people. Both these conditions had ceased in Italy in 1920, and their failure to operate increased over 1920-22." Full version is at: http://ml-review.ca/aml/CommunistLeague/All4-fascism93.htm I hope that this clarifies what I was saying. H -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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