On 17.10.2024 at 17:11 Louis via mailop <mailto:mailop@mailop.org> wrote:

>> Wouldn't backscatter spamming already currently work the same way with 
>> messages where the return path address does not align, or with completely 
>> unauthenticated messages?

> If spammers were to use my email in the return path/envelope from with the 
> intent on causing backscatter, the emails will be rejected at SMTP time due 
> to SPF failure. So no backscatter can then be generated by legitimate SPF 
> checking systems. Alignment has nothing to do with it, since the from header 
> has nothing to do with bounces. If the message is completely unauthenticated 
> then yes it's still possible, but then of course you're not using SPF, which 
> was exactly the premise of your question.
> Backscatter spamming is also still easily possible from misconfigured systems 
> that don't check SPF, but those seem rare nowadays. They'll be listed on 
> backscatter RBLs until they implement SPF checking anyway.

Well ok, but that would require some misconfigured systems which first accept 
the message signed by the spammer domain and then later on decide to bounce it 
because it is spam.

--
BR Oliver
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