-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, 2021-01-21 at 13:44 +0100, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote: > On Thu 21/Jan/2021 13:26:43 +0100 Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote: > > On Thu, 2021-01-21 at 13:08 +0100, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote: > > > On Wed 20/Jan/2021 14:25:10 +0100 Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2021-01-20 at 14:10 +0100, Renaud Allard via mailop wrote: > > > > > On 1/20/21 1:58 PM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 2021-01-20 at 13:29 +0100, Hetzner Blacklist via mailop > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > New/current policy: http://www.uceprotect.net/en/index.php?m=3&s=5 > > > > > > > > > > > > You failed to mention this bit from that link: > > > > > > > > > > > > "UCEPROTECT-Level 3 lists all IP's within an ASN except those > > > > > > approved > > > > > > and clean IP's that are registered at ips.whitelisted.org" > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that exactly what is called as extortion/blackmail? > > > > > > > > No, no it's not. I'll leave it to your legal dept to explain that to > > > > you. > > > From their web site: > > > WHITELISTING IS RECOMMENDED FOR IP 217.182.79.147. > > > Registration is available for 1 Month (25 CHF), 6 Month (50 CHF), 12 > > > Month (70 > > > CHF), 24 Month (90 CHF) . > > > So yes, perhaps it's not extortion. We may call it demanding money with > > > menaces, exaction, extraction, blackmail... > > > > Lot's of things in life require payment(s), or purchase of addon > > equipment, depending on your circumstances in life, your living > > arrangements, or your location. If you are in a high-crime area your > > mortgage insurance will probably require you to purchase an alarm, or if > > your home is prone to house fires, a smoke detector. Then there are > > taxes, fees, licenses, etc. Life is self is pay-to-play, whether you > > realize it or not. > > Yeah, and when they'll need more beer they can just update their formula so > as > to blacklist a whole AS on the first spam, or maybe the whole RIR.
That's a fair point, there's no reason to not question their motives. I just personally don't see that it's a profit center for them. > Even taxes are being payed for better reasons. As an American tax payer I strongly disagree. :) - -Jim P. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE3RmV4WutJ2KyCS2zPcxbabkKGJ8FAmAJfsEACgkQPcxbabkK GJ+IMQ/8DfhbxscxTt7Rc68AGxsUKw80YTz8AoZm54q+h/Sr16bH8R+G6WvSR2PO uTzVwkNiYz3/XtdpNXfjS0D3G/2yACFj0EcATKLp6k47kJY7dRWQknOCZVHb4gpn ig+5IEDrxIE8G0qkE9dE1A2avfEU8WIOpqKFAmjUNE8A+D7OJVnGJNc/qm8Mc+ed c/vDLxlMT/NYxKxrWXq31ghzm5ieAp4Fks9bvjuJO4wzQniK46kpYTrw82p2zMyo +joMWrW94F+iF15bRh0fCxU+E2V09n7+URWexDwnlaJ3f331J9ReopoWn5E//fGI Rtxld65wRDDE2yqQ0b1w49MCmen7+4N2KUisrgOGOwFua/Oon3y7COLho5pX8N4C jKndZZ9835xuiVnr/93OZJa//ogqwywRA2Zz69wXptRum85O+tiXEZ2XcFuMWYsP 1/VUf1HnNCCDr7cPRQrmmnsWOsxV+SGMzw7FWDJVD47A32onLwp6nK9Jv3bWJzNF Xx7Z1IHCOq0XAJuXS87o9crFJnEt4PUR2JBeYHGzgIhSe+jDmsIBPa2LcAd8HXyE JFjAZ5EzEMBOZlSGsM/C8C5YkiFWnulHn4T2HyLpGtwx4AOY0HTcextl+pLtSA7w jQpzzDGofT06hCE/V7Is9qrHJNZQKSQAyBkrY5YP8H/OXbZ/vQ8= =0KAd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
