I tried using Fred for a while. I didn't notice stuttering, but it is a very random problem anyway. However, the overall sluggishness of the system persisted. Good thought though, thanks for the suggestion. On Jan 24, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Daniel, > > Yup you are right, I can't stand the compact voices. I do have multiple > voices installed and the sluggishness is with all of them. I am not even sure > how I would revert to the compact voices, will have to look in to it the next > time the skipping words happens. > On Jan 24, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > >> Bryan, I am really sorry you seem to be experiencing such awful chopping >> issues under Mavericks and VO. >> The only time I have had this occurred with me is when I power up my late >> 2011 MBP I get VO stuttering as it were through the standard "Welcome to OS >> 10. Voiceover is on." This is using the higher quality voice. >> After this things settle down for me. The only suggestion I have and if it >> doesn't work then I am sorry I am unable to think of any other ideas to >> solve your problem except from the dreaded re-install already mentioned. >> Have you tried using the compact voices to see if that fixes the lag? >> I have found that when I used the Compact Daniel voice I got no lag with the >> welcome message announced by Voiceover at the log on screen. >> Of course, I'm aware that people yourself maybe included, may not like the >> compact versions but this is just a testing method as it were to see if the >> problem occurs with the compact version. >> >> Good luck and please do report back even if you've already tried this out. >> >> Daniel >> On 24 Jan 2014, at 21:34, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I know a clean install is not usually necessary, but I can't think of >>> anything else to try. I have: >>> >>> * uninstalled Soundflower, which reports suggest can cause audio processes >>> to run constantly and eat CPU power like crazy >>> * repaired disk permissions multiple times, the most recent from Safe Mode >>> so I was sure to get everything >>> * reset the PRAM >>> * turned Time Machine off >>> * turned Speakable Items off >>> * looked for runaway processes, and found none since I removed Soundflower >>> >>> My machine ran fine under Mountain Lion, especially after I gave it 8gb of >>> ram to play with. It is a 2011 Mini, and a low-end CPU, but, again, it ran >>> fine four months ago and only has problems now. I hate to revert to >>> Mountain Lion since there are features of Mavericks I enjoy (tagging, the >>> new iCloud features, new VO voices, and more). More to the point, though, I >>> shouldn't have to. Most everyone on this list seems to have gotten the same >>> or better performance out of Mavericks compared to Mountain Lion, it's just >>> us lucky few that are running into problems. >>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Cheryl Homiak <cahom...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think this is a Mavericks/vo problem per se or at least all by >>>> itself; there would apparently seem to be some other variable along with >>>> Mavericks and vo that is triggering this since there are many people who >>>> are not experiencing the problem along with those who are. I upgraded to >>>> Mavericks on both my iMac and Macbook Air; I have chosen to go back to >>>> Mountain Lion on the iMac and may do so on the Macbook Air but neither >>>> computer had the choppy voiceover problem. If Mavericks is indeed one >>>> component in why this is happening, maybe you should back up needed files >>>> and reinstall Mountain Lion. I used superduper to back up both my >>>> Mavericks and Mountain Lion installation and repaired permissions on both >>>> (had to switch to the Mountain Lion external to do its permissions). Then >>>> from the Mountain Lion external drive I ran superduper to put Mountain >>>> Lion back on the hard drive. I then went through the Mavericks drive and >>>> copied needed files over that were not on the Mountain Lion drive. >>>> Finally, I erased the Mavericks backup and started Time Machine on it. >>>> Sounds complicated but really wasn't bad. Of course if you no longer have >>>> a Mountain Lion installation or Time Machine backup you will have to >>>> reinstall Mountain Lion. It seems to me, though, that if Mavericks is >>>> really a component of the problem and you don't want to waste time again >>>> if a reinstallation produces the same choppiness, going back to Mountain >>>> Lion would be a quicker solution if your work productivity depends on >>>> having things work asap. Just my thoughts; I know different people have >>>> different approaches with this. I think if your Mac is new and came with >>>> Mavericks you can't put Mountain Lion on but I could be wrong about that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cheryl >>>> >>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. >>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper >>>> thrown in the trash! >>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life: >>>> His joy for my despairing tears! >>>> And now, every day: >>>> "This I call to mind, >>>> and therefore I have hope: >>>> The steadfast love of the Lord >>>> never ceases; >>>> his mercies never come to an end; >>>> they are new every morning; >>>> great is your faithfulness." >>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Alex, >>>>> >>>>> Yeah VO worked for two hours without the choppiness but now is back to >>>>> being ridiculously choppy it is so bad that when you type an email it >>>>> tells you are word is spelled wrong mid word because VO gets caught or >>>>> something. Very disappointed with Mavericks and VO. I am a Apple loyalist >>>>> but I am definitely very disappointed with Apple and the lack of quality >>>>> in this release. >>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Brian, just so you know, you're not alone. While I can usually read >>>>>> things fine, VO has also returned to the occasional choppy, broken >>>>>> speech I have been dealing with ever since Mavericks. Apps are also >>>>>> still slow to load, and more and more often, emails take longer and >>>>>> longer to open. My sister just installed Mavericks and loves how "it's >>>>>> so much faster than Mountain Lion!" Well, she's lucky, because 10.9 was >>>>>> a step backward for me, and apparently you as well. Let us know if the >>>>>> reinstall helps, as that is looking like my only option as well, as much >>>>>> as I hate to say it. >>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sounds like you might want to do an OS reinstall. Back your drives >>>>>>> then do the install fresh after hard formatting the principal drive >>>>>>> your OS was on. A bit dramatic, takes about two and a half hours, but, >>>>>>> well worth the effort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>>> blind built-in! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is starting to get unbelievably frustrating as when I get to work >>>>>>>> I expect to work and not deal with hours of hours of VoiceOver >>>>>>>> problems. I just did a system repair and all was working fine for two >>>>>>>> days and now VoiceOver is back to being unbelievably choppy when >>>>>>>> reading anything. Multiple voices are choppy and it is not just one >>>>>>>> program where the choppiness occurs. I can't read an email all the way >>>>>>>> through without having to use VO and the arrows for all the words I >>>>>>>> can't understand or VO skips. Any ideas? According to Apple customer >>>>>>>> support and yeah VO just crapped out as I typed the word support I >>>>>>>> have enough RAM for what I am doing, and they are clueless to what the >>>>>>>> issue can be. 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