Well, yes. Me and around half of the people alive actually. But, that's besides the point, and I'm not even going to go there any further with you about that. I just believe that making blanket statements like "separate is never equal" is pretty narrow thinking especially when talking about something as subjective as accessibility. All inclusive is preferred but, sometimes its just not practical.
Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: > Too young to remember the civil rights movement, eh? > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 22/04/2013, at 4:15, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > So there shouldn't be men and women rest rooms? :). Just keep in mind, > separate might not always mean equal but, equal doesn't always mean fair > either. > > JMO. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Apr 22, 2013, at 6:34 AM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: > >> Separate is never equal. >> >> Sent from my IPhone 4S >> >> On 21/04/2013, at 13:16, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> Interesting discussion. >> This is just a suggestion. >> Why does access have to be included in the same ratings system at all? >> Two ideas come to mind here, again just as a question. >> First why not create an a-class or an I class designation. a for >> accessible or i for inclusion. Make it a marketing designation, not a >> strictly developers one. >> as in is your ap good or cool enough for Apple's a-class? give developers a >> pr reason to want to make the applications work...just because the >> designation has marketing value. >> I mean after all according to the center for disease Control stateside some >> 21 million people fall under the sight issue umbrella. that does not even >> begin to count the other populations who benefit from vo functionality. >> Take it totally out of the help those people arena and into the marketing >> because you want those customers arena. also saves the reworking Erik has >> outlined below. >> second, and again I am simply wondering, should not Apple have the final and >> only firm say as to if an application works with vo? >> I mean letting random people as noted here vent their frustration against a >> company they do not like would be counter productive. So why base it on >> something so individual in the first place? >> There are as many variations on how a person uses a product as there are >> people using that product. >> best to well put it all in a different category anyway. One that rewards >> Apple for making the effort, and rewards developers who take the time. >> Just my perspective, >> Karen >> >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> Hi, you can't have a rating of 1 to 5 for accessibility. I think this is a >>> good idea and I'd like it to happen, but I don't think you've thought it >>> through very well, as with all the others who have voiced it before you. >>> This is nothing new believe me. >>> >>> First, you can't have an accessibility rating from one to five. The reason >>> is that a significant portion of the user base won't be actively using the >>> product with accessibility features and therefore won't be in a position to >>> rate the accessibility fairly. The rating has to be from 0 or n/a to 5 >>> excellent or fully accessible. >>> >>> Second, if you make an accessibility rating from 0 to 5, that means you >>> have to make all of the other criteria 0 to 5 as well. In short, you are >>> asking for a complete rewrite of the database used to track the ratings, >>> not to mention the front end. >>> >>> Third, once you have added the ability to have a 0 rating, you then have to >>> assess how being rated 0 on one of the criteria effects the overall rating >>> of an app and make sure the math is done properly so the rating system is >>> fair. >>> >>> Fourth, after you've completely rewritten the rating system, How do you >>> prevent disenfranchised people who either got bad support or had a product >>> fail or conflict with other things running on their machine, or who just >>> didn't like the price and thought they'd show the developer what fore, from >>> rating the accessibility a 1 without even knowing or caring what that >>> rating is for. That would mislead users and compromise the rating system, >>> and there are plenty of people out there lazy, stupid or vindictive enough >>> to do something like that. >>> >>> Again, I think it's a great idea, and I wish apple had taken it into >>> account when they were building their software distribution model. But I >>> don't think any amount of forum posting is going to get a move on this. >>> I'm sure hundreds of us have written to accessibil...@apple.com and >>> requested this feature, since it comes up on the list once every three to >>> six months or so. It's on their radar and if anything can reasonably be >>> done about it, the odds are good that it will be done. You would be well >>> off adding your voice to the ones who have already lobbied for this using >>> approved channels and then waiting for it to happen. Apple has listened to >>> us in the past and though we don't usually hear from them, we have no >>> reason to think that they aren't still listening. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the >>> ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog >>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 2013-04-21, at 3:29 PM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hey Guys, >>>> >>>> I am writing this post in hopes of your support. I'm getting frustrated >>>> with some developers lack of dedication to accessibility for their apps. >>>> This isn't to slam all. Their are quite a few who understand importance. >>>> There are a lot of developers who don't respond to emails when you write >>>> them. I think that Apple should consider a rating for accessibility in the >>>> ios and Mac app stores. Maybe 1 to 5, for completely inaccessible to >>>> completely accessible. Maybe if developers see it in writing, they might >>>> be inclined to fix it. >>>> >>>> I'm including a link to a post I put on AppleVis. Please consider signing >>>> here or there. >>>> >>>> I also find it demeaning to contact Apple for credit on completely >>>> inaccessible apps. I'm not talking partially inaccessible. Their are quite >>>> a few which we find work arounds. We have all encountered the ones where >>>> developer make no effort, which is wrong because Apple does provide tools >>>> to make apps accessible. >>>> >>>> Thank you for your time. I will forward to Apple with feedback given. >>>> >>>> AppleVis link: >>>> http://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/app-accessibility-please-read >>>> >>>> jP >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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