hi. First-too chris. Never let them put you down because you are blind, no matter the situation, i have a story about that and it is scary but since it is not directly mac related i wont post it here. I am not sure if a program can be tested if it is accessible or not so that would mean that every app should be tested by a person,im not sure that is all to realistic, as much as i wanna see it happen.
sandi On 4/22/13, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: > Separate is never equal. > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 21/04/2013, at 13:16, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: > > Hi folks, > Interesting discussion. > This is just a suggestion. > Why does access have to be included in the same ratings system at all? > Two ideas come to mind here, again just as a question. > First why not create an a-class or an I class designation. a for > accessible or i for inclusion. Make it a marketing designation, not a > strictly developers one. > as in is your ap good or cool enough for Apple's a-class? give developers a > pr reason to want to make the applications work...just because the > designation has marketing value. > I mean after all according to the center for disease Control stateside some > 21 million people fall under the sight issue umbrella. that does not even > begin to count the other populations who benefit from vo functionality. > Take it totally out of the help those people arena and into the marketing > because you want those customers arena. also saves the reworking Erik has > outlined below. > second, and again I am simply wondering, should not Apple have the final and > only firm say as to if an application works with vo? > I mean letting random people as noted here vent their frustration against a > company they do not like would be counter productive. So why base it on > something so individual in the first place? > There are as many variations on how a person uses a product as there are > people using that product. > best to well put it all in a different category anyway. One that rewards > Apple for making the effort, and rewards developers who take the time. > Just my perspective, > Karen > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2013, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Hi, you can't have a rating of 1 to 5 for accessibility. I think this is >> a good idea and I'd like it to happen, but I don't think you've thought it >> through very well, as with all the others who have voiced it before you. >> This is nothing new believe me. >> >> First, you can't have an accessibility rating from one to five. The >> reason is that a significant portion of the user base won't be actively >> using the product with accessibility features and therefore won't be in a >> position to rate the accessibility fairly. The rating has to be from 0 or >> n/a to 5 excellent or fully accessible. >> >> Second, if you make an accessibility rating from 0 to 5, that means you >> have to make all of the other criteria 0 to 5 as well. In short, you are >> asking for a complete rewrite of the database used to track the ratings, >> not to mention the front end. >> >> Third, once you have added the ability to have a 0 rating, you then have >> to assess how being rated 0 on one of the criteria effects the overall >> rating of an app and make sure the math is done properly so the rating >> system is fair. >> >> Fourth, after you've completely rewritten the rating system, How do you >> prevent disenfranchised people who either got bad support or had a product >> fail or conflict with other things running on their machine, or who just >> didn't like the price and thought they'd show the developer what fore, >> from rating the accessibility a 1 without even knowing or caring what that >> rating is for. That would mislead users and compromise the rating system, >> and there are plenty of people out there lazy, stupid or vindictive enough >> to do something like that. >> >> Again, I think it's a great idea, and I wish apple had taken it into >> account when they were building their software distribution model. But I >> don't think any amount of forum posting is going to get a move on this. >> I'm sure hundreds of us have written to accessibil...@apple.com and >> requested this feature, since it comes up on the list once every three to >> six months or so. It's on their radar and if anything can reasonably be >> done about it, the odds are good that it will be done. You would be well >> off adding your voice to the ones who have already lobbied for this using >> approved channels and then waiting for it to happen. Apple has listened >> to us in the past and though we don't usually hear from them, we have no >> reason to think that they aren't still listening. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the >> ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog >> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 2013-04-21, at 3:29 PM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> >>> Hey Guys, >>> >>> I am writing this post in hopes of your support. I'm getting frustrated >>> with some developers lack of dedication to accessibility for their apps. >>> This isn't to slam all. Their are quite a few who understand importance. >>> There are a lot of developers who don't respond to emails when you write >>> them. I think that Apple should consider a rating for accessibility in >>> the ios and Mac app stores. Maybe 1 to 5, for completely inaccessible to >>> completely accessible. Maybe if developers see it in writing, they might >>> be inclined to fix it. >>> >>> I'm including a link to a post I put on AppleVis. Please consider signing >>> here or there. >>> >>> I also find it demeaning to contact Apple for credit on completely >>> inaccessible apps. I'm not talking partially inaccessible. Their are >>> quite a few which we find work arounds. We have all encountered the ones >>> where developer make no effort, which is wrong because Apple does provide >>> tools to make apps accessible. >>> >>> Thank you for your time. 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