Yup, I already put my request into Apple for the allowance of the caps Lock key for VO keys. Just as an option. I sent the request back on Thursday and got the usual thank you response on friday.
On 9/2/12, Eric Caron <ecar...@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi Alex, > > Thank you for the reminder. Just wrote my request and reminder to > Apple. > I try to ask for this every 6 months or so! I hope others who find this is > a needed improvement will add their voices. > > In the meantime Not only do you have a way to get the VO keys to work as the > caps lock key but you can also get a Number pad making the num pad commander > available on the standard keypoard. This is very helpfull for those who > don't have a full size keyboard. This is something Apple removed a few > years ago and the keyRemap4Macbook allows the user to put back. > > Eric Caron > > On Sep 2, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I agree. However, if you think that choosing the modifier to use with vo >> is a good idea, please email accessibil...@apple.com and tell them so. >> They won't change anything if the interest isn't there, and using this >> amazing resource to tell apple themselves what we want is a great way to >> effect change for the better in VoiceOver. I emailed them a few days ago, >> explaining how making my capslock key into the vo key has increased my >> productivity and ease of use on the mac, and asking if they could add an >> option in the vo utility to let users chosse which key(s) they want to use >> as the vo keys. If you agree with me, please do the same. >> On Sep 2, 2012, at 2:01 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Right, >>> >>> I think Apple decided to go to do things the way they did because they >>> didn't want voiceover hijacking your keyboard like screenreaders on >>> windows do. So, they made the modifier 2 keys instead of one. >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>> www.appletothecore.info >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think it's a legal thing at all. Rather, I suspect it's a >>>> standards thing; apple started it that way, so rather than change an >>>> integral part of their UI for a group of users, they kept it. Just my >>>> thoughts, and I could be wrong. Still, if there were a legal issue, then >>>> NAVDA wouldn't use caps lock, yet that is an option in that program. >>>> On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:56 PM, Rodney Haynie <rodney.hay...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Eric, >>>>> Finally got a chance to install and setup these two apps. Great find >>>>> and I love it. >>>>> Since I am still on a Windows box on my 9to5, I always used the >>>>> CapsLock with the screen reader. I am so use to it, and it is so >>>>> productive. >>>>> I assumed there was some legal issue as to why Apple did not implement >>>>> this. >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Rodney >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Eric Caron <ecar...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Mary, >>>>>> >>>>>> If you follow my podcast you will no longer have a caps lock key but >>>>>> rather a very convenient Voice Over key. If you want your caps lock >>>>>> back you can either go to the extras menu in Mountain Lion for >>>>>> KeyRemaper4Macbook and press the preferences button and then you can >>>>>> either temporarily turn off the key remap with a check box or uncheck >>>>>> it permanently. >>>>>> >>>>>> For me this is a non issue as I almost never use the caps lock key and >>>>>> can use the shift key when needed. The advantage of having the caps >>>>>> lock act as the voice over modifier key is infinitely more important >>>>>> to me. I keep finding ways why this works so well. for example >>>>>> opening a disclosure triangle is now so much easier. I just holde the >>>>>> caps lock key down with my left little finger and tap the \ key with >>>>>> my other little finger. I never take my hands off the home keys. In >>>>>> the past my left hand had to go all the way down to the Option Control >>>>>> keys on the left side completely stopping my typing flow. >>>>>> >>>>>> I still have a lot of muscle memory that causes me to use the old VO >>>>>> Keys but little by little I am increasing my speed by taking advantage >>>>>> of the caps lock. It is great! another key I now use more often is >>>>>> vo w and VO w twice. This is the word and the spelling of a word. >>>>>> with caps lock and w it is fast and easy. with standard vo keys on >>>>>> the bottom left I had to reach my right hand way over to the w key, >>>>>> and this was quite a contortion just to hear what word I was on, I >>>>>> don't need to do this any more. I do it all with my left hand never >>>>>> leaving the home row keys. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this info helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric Caron >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Mary Scott <bluespru...@comcast.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> So what does happen when you need the caps lock? >>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Eric Caron <ecar...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello listers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have long wanted the VO keys "Control Option" to be available as >>>>>>>> the caps lock key. this would allow one finger to hold down the >>>>>>>> keys. Also, the location of the Caps Lock key is ideal for reaching >>>>>>>> many keys that need to be pressed with the Voice Over keys. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Using the caps lock key as the VO modifier would dramatically reduce >>>>>>>> the times I find my fingers contorted trying to press multiple keys >>>>>>>> all over the keyboard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For those of us who type with our fingers on the home row this >>>>>>>> allows us to use the VO modifier while keeping our hands ready to >>>>>>>> continue typing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm pleased to let you know that this is now possible. Thanks to >>>>>>>> Takayama Fumihiko, the developer of KeyRemap4Macbook. this >>>>>>>> application in conjunction with another application by the same >>>>>>>> developer allows a Mac user to remap the caps lock key as the >>>>>>>> "Control and Option" keys pressed together. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other application is called PCKeyboardHack. These two apps and >>>>>>>> a file created for VO users makes this possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Although a write up of this process would probably be more >>>>>>>> efficient >>>>>>>> for most of us, that is not my strength. Instead, I have provided a >>>>>>>> link below to a podcast that walks through the set up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In addition below are links needed to obtain the applications and >>>>>>>> the specially constructed xml file. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally, I have provided links to some additional help documentation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The application developer responded to my request for this >>>>>>>> capability within hours of my written request. I have also been >>>>>>>> asked to contact again if there are any other ways the application >>>>>>>> can help blind users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This was such a nice response. I'm still amazed as I have written >>>>>>>> to Apple asking for this every few months or so, only getting back >>>>>>>> the standard answer,"thank you for your suggestion." . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm so grateful to now have this ability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, please be aware that this application can also remap other >>>>>>>> keys. For example you could make the command key on the right of >>>>>>>> your space bar a Control key giving you another set of Voice Over >>>>>>>> Keys. >>>>>>>> KeyRemap4Macbook also creates a num pad on your regular keyboard. >>>>>>>> this makes it possible to use num pad commander on a standard >>>>>>>> keyboard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is covered in a excellent post by Ester on the Mac-Access.net >>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One gentle reminder. This is donation ware so if you use this as >>>>>>>> much as I do please support this developer. and, as we come up with >>>>>>>> more ways this application can help and as the OS changes we will >>>>>>>> want this developer to support us. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This was the most challenging podcast I have created so far. If >>>>>>>> you see a need for revision please let me know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will be submitting this podcast to applevis.com . In the meantime >>>>>>>> here is a dropbox link >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5620907/KeyRemap4Macbook.mp3 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Below are the links I give in the podcast and also the XML text you >>>>>>>> will need. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Link to KeyRemap4MacBook and PCKeyboardHack applications. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/pckeyboardhack-usage.html.en >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Link to instructions on changing the Caps Lock key to PC >>>>>>>>> application key. the needed key code number is 110. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/pckeyboardhack-usage.html.en >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Link to private.xml, that changes PC Application Key to >>>>>>>>> Control+Option. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/tekezo/Files/blob/master/KeyRemap4MacBook/private.pc_application_to_controloption/private.xml >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Link to instructions on how to use private.xml. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/document-private-xml.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Following is the text of the Private xml >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <?xml version="1.0"?> >>>>>>>>>> <root> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <item> >>>>>>>>>> <name>Change PC Application Key to Control+Option.</name> >>>>>>>>>> <identifier>private.pc_application_to_controloption</identifier> >>>>>>>>>> <autogen>--KeyToKey-- KeyCode::PC_APPLICATION, KeyCode::OPTION_L, >>>>>>>>>> ModifierFlag::CONTROL_L</autogen> >>>>>>>>>> </item> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> </root> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>> mehg...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> mehg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
