I agree. However, if you think that choosing the modifier to use with vo is a good idea, please email accessibil...@apple.com and tell them so. They won't change anything if the interest isn't there, and using this amazing resource to tell apple themselves what we want is a great way to effect change for the better in VoiceOver. I emailed them a few days ago, explaining how making my capslock key into the vo key has increased my productivity and ease of use on the mac, and asking if they could add an option in the vo utility to let users chosse which key(s) they want to use as the vo keys. If you agree with me, please do the same. On Sep 2, 2012, at 2:01 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right, > > I think Apple decided to go to do things the way they did because they didn't > want voiceover hijacking your keyboard like screenreaders on windows do. So, > they made the modifier 2 keys instead of one. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Sep 1, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't think it's a legal thing at all. Rather, I suspect it's a standards >> thing; apple started it that way, so rather than change an integral part of >> their UI for a group of users, they kept it. Just my thoughts, and I could >> be wrong. Still, if there were a legal issue, then NAVDA wouldn't use caps >> lock, yet that is an option in that program. >> On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:56 PM, Rodney Haynie <rodney.hay...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Eric, >>> Finally got a chance to install and setup these two apps. Great find and I >>> love it. >>> Since I am still on a Windows box on my 9to5, I always used the CapsLock >>> with the screen reader. I am so use to it, and it is so productive. >>> I assumed there was some legal issue as to why Apple did not implement this. >>> Thanks. >>> Rodney >>> >>> On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Eric Caron <ecar...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Mary, >>>> >>>> If you follow my podcast you will no longer have a caps lock key but >>>> rather a very convenient Voice Over key. If you want your caps lock back >>>> you can either go to the extras menu in Mountain Lion for >>>> KeyRemaper4Macbook and press the preferences button and then you can >>>> either temporarily turn off the key remap with a check box or uncheck it >>>> permanently. >>>> >>>> For me this is a non issue as I almost never use the caps lock key and can >>>> use the shift key when needed. The advantage of having the caps lock act >>>> as the voice over modifier key is infinitely more important to me. I keep >>>> finding ways why this works so well. for example opening a disclosure >>>> triangle is now so much easier. I just holde the caps lock key down with >>>> my left little finger and tap the \ key with my other little finger. I >>>> never take my hands off the home keys. In the past my left hand had to go >>>> all the way down to the Option Control keys on the left side completely >>>> stopping my typing flow. >>>> >>>> I still have a lot of muscle memory that causes me to use the old VO Keys >>>> but little by little I am increasing my speed by taking advantage of the >>>> caps lock. It is great! another key I now use more often is vo w and VO >>>> w twice. This is the word and the spelling of a word. with caps lock and >>>> w it is fast and easy. with standard vo keys on the bottom left I had to >>>> reach my right hand way over to the w key, and this was quite a contortion >>>> just to hear what word I was on, I don't need to do this any more. I do >>>> it all with my left hand never leaving the home row keys. >>>> >>>> Hope this info helps. >>>> >>>> Eric Caron >>>> >>>> On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Mary Scott <bluespru...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So what does happen when you need the caps lock? >>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Eric Caron <ecar...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello listers, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have long wanted the VO keys "Control Option" to be available as the >>>>>> caps lock key. this would allow one finger to hold down the keys. >>>>>> Also, the location of the Caps Lock key is ideal for reaching many keys >>>>>> that need to be pressed with the Voice Over keys. >>>>>> >>>>>> Using the caps lock key as the VO modifier would dramatically reduce the >>>>>> times I find my fingers contorted trying to press multiple keys all over >>>>>> the keyboard. >>>>>> >>>>>> For those of us who type with our fingers on the home row this allows us >>>>>> to use the VO modifier while keeping our hands ready to continue typing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm pleased to let you know that this is now possible. Thanks to >>>>>> Takayama Fumihiko, the developer of KeyRemap4Macbook. this application >>>>>> in conjunction with another application by the same developer allows a >>>>>> Mac user to remap the caps lock key as the "Control and Option" keys >>>>>> pressed together. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other application is called PCKeyboardHack. These two apps and a >>>>>> file created for VO users makes this possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Although a write up of this process would probably be more efficient >>>>>> for most of us, that is not my strength. Instead, I have provided a >>>>>> link below to a podcast that walks through the set up. >>>>>> >>>>>> In addition below are links needed to obtain the applications and the >>>>>> specially constructed xml file. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, I have provided links to some additional help documentation >>>>>> >>>>>> The application developer responded to my request for this capability >>>>>> within hours of my written request. I have also been asked to contact >>>>>> again if there are any other ways the application can help blind users. >>>>>> >>>>>> This was such a nice response. I'm still amazed as I have written to >>>>>> Apple asking for this every few months or so, only getting back the >>>>>> standard answer,"thank you for your suggestion." . >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm so grateful to now have this ability. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, please be aware that this application can also remap other keys. >>>>>> For example you could make the command key on the right of your space >>>>>> bar a Control key giving you another set of Voice Over Keys. >>>>>> KeyRemap4Macbook also creates a num pad on your regular keyboard. this >>>>>> makes it possible to use num pad commander on a standard keyboard. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is covered in a excellent post by Ester on the Mac-Access.net list. >>>>>> >>>>>> One gentle reminder. This is donation ware so if you use this as much >>>>>> as I do please support this developer. and, as we come up with more >>>>>> ways this application can help and as the OS changes we will want this >>>>>> developer to support us. >>>>>> >>>>>> This was the most challenging podcast I have created so far. If you >>>>>> see a need for revision please let me know. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will be submitting this podcast to applevis.com . In the meantime >>>>>> here is a dropbox link >>>>>> >>>>>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5620907/KeyRemap4Macbook.mp3 >>>>>> >>>>>> Below are the links I give in the podcast and also the XML text you will >>>>>> need. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Link to KeyRemap4MacBook and PCKeyboardHack applications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/pckeyboardhack-usage.html.en >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Link to instructions on changing the Caps Lock key to PC application >>>>>>> key. the needed key code number is 110. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/pckeyboardhack-usage.html.en >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Link to private.xml, that changes PC Application Key to >>>>>>> Control+Option. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://github.com/tekezo/Files/blob/master/KeyRemap4MacBook/private.pc_application_to_controloption/private.xml >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Link to instructions on how to use private.xml. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/document-private-xml.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Following is the text of the Private xml >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <?xml version="1.0"?> >>>>>>>> <root> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <item> >>>>>>>> <name>Change PC Application Key to Control+Option.</name> >>>>>>>> <identifier>private.pc_application_to_controloption</identifier> >>>>>>>> <autogen>--KeyToKey-- KeyCode::PC_APPLICATION, KeyCode::OPTION_L, >>>>>>>> ModifierFlag::CONTROL_L</autogen> >>>>>>>> </item> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> </root> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> mehg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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