My experience suggests that it's a hit and miss proposition with Web Kit. Some times I use it and sometimes not. You will find that in some cases it will make a difference and in others not.
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Cody wrote: > Thanks John for that info, greatly appreciated. I've not done much digging > into why these bugs are presenting themselves, so that info is greatly > appreciated, I'll keep it in mind. I haven't tried webkit because since it's > basically the same thing as safari, would it really matter one way or > another? I'll give it a wurl though. > On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:23 AM, John Panarese wrote: > >> The reality is, Safari is a problem in Lion with VoiceOver. From the >> technical information I have read, this is more of a Safari issue than a >> VoiceOver issue. >> >> However, with that said, it seems these issues vary with person to person. >> A clean install is a good suggestion for sure. Also, perhaps trying the >> nightly build of Web Kit to see if that fixes any issues. >> >> I do have the problem with the popup windows not being seen with VoiceOver >> and seeing to lock it up. What I do in those instances is simply hit the >> escape key before doing anything else. If you lose speech, command tab out >> of Safari and try starting the VoiceOver Quick Start with >> control-option-command-F8. When it starts, then hit the escape key and >> VoiceOver should return. Command back to Safari and quickly hit the escape >> key a few times and that should close the dialog box. >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> jpanar...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> Cody, in some cases, to speak frankly, it is a matter of not being familiar >>> with how to use Voice Over. Tim was not, I think, trying to insult you; >>> and, nor am I. you're taking this rather too personally I fear. A >>> practical suggestion, (and one which I myself might have to try soon) did >>> you try to run a clean installation yet? I mean go in to the partitian, >>> use the utilities to completely format the hard drive, (after backing your >>> volume to an external drive of course) and then doing a fresh clean install? >>> >>> Your descriptions almost would lead me to suggest that this is what you >>> might attempt next. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>> >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> Facebook: >>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Cody wrote: >>> >>>> No, I disagree. There is no reason why voiceover should randomly decide to >>>> stop functioning properly in safari, which it has done, and continues to >>>> do for me, specifically, as said prior, about the web roter and quicknav, >>>> some windows, like the "do you wish to send the form again?" box will pop >>>> up but voiceover won't focus on it, and neither command accent or >>>> voiceover f2 will allow me access to this dialog. Furthermore, I am unable >>>> to quit out of safari while this window is open. I have run into issues >>>> with voiceover in safari where I will go back to a previous webpage, and >>>> then again try to use element navigation like jump to headings and such or >>>> links either by pressing voiceover command and whatever letter or by using >>>> the up and down arrow keys. This sometimes results in voiceover just >>>> reading the title of the page, for no reason without performing the >>>> requested function it is supposed to do. And you're going to tell me I >>>> don't know what I'm doing? It may perhaps be a machine specific thing, but >>>> I am mostly doubting this. I think it is a voiceover bug and/or a safari >>>> issue. Out of all the qwurks in osx 10.7, safari is the worst. And, I am >>>> not the only person with safari issues, I get busy busy busy as well, and >>>> snow leopard was far more useable with safari. Other people on this list >>>> have had the same issues I'm having, so it is clearly not me. And once >>>> again, it is not inteligence, because I've gone to technical schooling for >>>> 2 years and have worked on many many computers in many many different >>>> situations. So, let's disregard the inteligence factor it clearly has no >>>> place in this conversation, which only leaves 2 options. 1, it's machine >>>> specific, which if this is the case, prove it. or 2, it's a bug, which >>>> needs to be addressed. These are the only 2 options the bugs could >>>> realistically be. >>>> >>>> Cody >>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I won't take sides here, as I don't believe that it is a "sides" issue. >>>>> Levels of comfort and ease of adaptability to the changes in look and >>>>> feel of Lion vary with individuals and they should do whatever they feel >>>>> so that their experience remains positive. >>>>> >>>>> You may find, though, that you will be unable to install SL on a Lion >>>>> machine, as Apple often makes it more or less impossible to install a >>>>> "lower" OS on a system once the latest OS has been released. I've got >>>>> around it a few times with Net Restore images deployed from an OS X >>>>> Server, but most people don't have access to this technology. >>>>> >>>>> Later... >>>>> >>>>> On 2011-11-10, at 12:31 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I want to start off this post by saying that I installed Lion the day it >>>>>> came out on my Macbook Pro. Before doing so, I made a time machine >>>>>> backup of my Snow Leopard system, and I can't tell you how glad I am >>>>>> that I did. I tried Lion for a week, and found it to be terribly buggy >>>>>> and not nearly as intuitive to use as SL. I restored my computer back to >>>>>> SL, and have continued using it since. Recently, a friend of mine got a >>>>>> brand new iMac with Lion installed. He has been calling me asking for >>>>>> help understanding how to do some very simple things. using the mail >>>>>> program, entering a tun of contacts into his address book, and using >>>>>> Safari to listen to a webcast he particularly likes. While we handled >>>>>> mail without much difficulty, I must say that Safari and Address Book >>>>>> have been riddled with problems. Safari will often give us the busy >>>>>> signal, and the address book kicks us out of the fields and deposits us >>>>>> in some sort of no mans land where we must command tab back and forth to >>>>>> get free. He has updated to Lion 10.7.2, and yet this hasn't really >>>>>> fixed the issues. The nonsense with creating multiple desktops and such >>>>>> was a bit annoying too. I wonder if maybe simple is better some times. >>>>>> It's sad, but as I purchased a snow leopard full installation disc for >>>>>> him, I'm going to go down to his house and put SL on his machine so that >>>>>> he can actually have a good experience using his mac rather than the >>>>>> flawed and terribly buggy one he's been having. That's not to say that >>>>>> SL doesn't have its problems, but they are far fewer than Lion it seems. >>>>>> I hope that Apple will take a page from Microsoft and move quickly on to >>>>>> the next OS as Microsoft did from Vista to 7. I'm afraid Lion is a lemon. >>>>>> I'm curious to know about your experiences with Lion versus Snow >>>>>> Leopard. >>>>>> >>>>>> Friendly, >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> -------------- >>>>>> I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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