Thanks John for that info, greatly appreciated. I've not done much digging into why these bugs are presenting themselves, so that info is greatly appreciated, I'll keep it in mind. I haven't tried webkit because since it's basically the same thing as safari, would it really matter one way or another? I'll give it a wurl though. On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:23 AM, John Panarese wrote:
> The reality is, Safari is a problem in Lion with VoiceOver. From the > technical information I have read, this is more of a Safari issue than a > VoiceOver issue. > > However, with that said, it seems these issues vary with person to person. > A clean install is a good suggestion for sure. Also, perhaps trying the > nightly build of Web Kit to see if that fixes any issues. > > I do have the problem with the popup windows not being seen with VoiceOver > and seeing to lock it up. What I do in those instances is simply hit the > escape key before doing anything else. If you lose speech, command tab out > of Safari and try starting the VoiceOver Quick Start with > control-option-command-F8. When it starts, then hit the escape key and > VoiceOver should return. Command back to Safari and quickly hit the escape > key a few times and that should close the dialog box. > > Take Care > > John Panarese > jpanar...@gmail.com > > > > On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Cody, in some cases, to speak frankly, it is a matter of not being familiar >> with how to use Voice Over. Tim was not, I think, trying to insult you; >> and, nor am I. you're taking this rather too personally I fear. A >> practical suggestion, (and one which I myself might have to try soon) did >> you try to run a clean installation yet? I mean go in to the partitian, use >> the utilities to completely format the hard drive, (after backing your >> volume to an external drive of course) and then doing a fresh clean install? >> >> Your descriptions almost would lead me to suggest that this is what you >> might attempt next. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> >> Skype name: >> barefootedray >> >> Facebook: >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >> >> >> >> On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Cody wrote: >> >>> No, I disagree. There is no reason why voiceover should randomly decide to >>> stop functioning properly in safari, which it has done, and continues to do >>> for me, specifically, as said prior, about the web roter and quicknav, some >>> windows, like the "do you wish to send the form again?" box will pop up but >>> voiceover won't focus on it, and neither command accent or voiceover f2 >>> will allow me access to this dialog. Furthermore, I am unable to quit out >>> of safari while this window is open. I have run into issues with voiceover >>> in safari where I will go back to a previous webpage, and then again try to >>> use element navigation like jump to headings and such or links either by >>> pressing voiceover command and whatever letter or by using the up and down >>> arrow keys. This sometimes results in voiceover just reading the title of >>> the page, for no reason without performing the requested function it is >>> supposed to do. And you're going to tell me I don't know what I'm doing? It >>> may perhaps be a machine specific thing, but I am mostly doubting this. I >>> think it is a voiceover bug and/or a safari issue. Out of all the qwurks in >>> osx 10.7, safari is the worst. And, I am not the only person with safari >>> issues, I get busy busy busy as well, and snow leopard was far more useable >>> with safari. Other people on this list have had the same issues I'm having, >>> so it is clearly not me. And once again, it is not inteligence, because >>> I've gone to technical schooling for 2 years and have worked on many many >>> computers in many many different situations. So, let's disregard the >>> inteligence factor it clearly has no place in this conversation, which only >>> leaves 2 options. 1, it's machine specific, which if this is the case, >>> prove it. or 2, it's a bug, which needs to be addressed. These are the only >>> 2 options the bugs could realistically be. >>> >>> Cody >>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I won't take sides here, as I don't believe that it is a "sides" issue. >>>> Levels of comfort and ease of adaptability to the changes in look and feel >>>> of Lion vary with individuals and they should do whatever they feel so >>>> that their experience remains positive. >>>> >>>> You may find, though, that you will be unable to install SL on a Lion >>>> machine, as Apple often makes it more or less impossible to install a >>>> "lower" OS on a system once the latest OS has been released. I've got >>>> around it a few times with Net Restore images deployed from an OS X >>>> Server, but most people don't have access to this technology. >>>> >>>> Later... >>>> >>>> On 2011-11-10, at 12:31 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I want to start off this post by saying that I installed Lion the day it >>>>> came out on my Macbook Pro. Before doing so, I made a time machine backup >>>>> of my Snow Leopard system, and I can't tell you how glad I am that I did. >>>>> I tried Lion for a week, and found it to be terribly buggy and not nearly >>>>> as intuitive to use as SL. I restored my computer back to SL, and have >>>>> continued using it since. Recently, a friend of mine got a brand new iMac >>>>> with Lion installed. He has been calling me asking for help understanding >>>>> how to do some very simple things. using the mail program, entering a tun >>>>> of contacts into his address book, and using Safari to listen to a >>>>> webcast he particularly likes. While we handled mail without much >>>>> difficulty, I must say that Safari and Address Book have been riddled >>>>> with problems. Safari will often give us the busy signal, and the address >>>>> book kicks us out of the fields and deposits us in some sort of no mans >>>>> land where we must command tab back and forth to get free. He has updated >>>>> to Lion 10.7.2, and yet this hasn't really fixed the issues. The nonsense >>>>> with creating multiple desktops and such was a bit annoying too. I wonder >>>>> if maybe simple is better some times. It's sad, but as I purchased a snow >>>>> leopard full installation disc for him, I'm going to go down to his house >>>>> and put SL on his machine so that he can actually have a good experience >>>>> using his mac rather than the flawed and terribly buggy one he's been >>>>> having. That's not to say that SL doesn't have its problems, but they are >>>>> far fewer than Lion it seems. I hope that Apple will take a page from >>>>> Microsoft and move quickly on to the next OS as Microsoft did from Vista >>>>> to 7. I'm afraid Lion is a lemon. >>>>> I'm curious to know about your experiences with Lion versus Snow Leopard. >>>>> >>>>> Friendly, >>>>> Chris >>>>> -------------- >>>>> I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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