I agree completely, I would also like to add, I think some on here might have short memories. lol. Lets go back in time to when SL was first released. I seem to recall people having similar complaints. I'm not saying the problems weren't real mind you, I'm just pointing out that many problems were fixed or minimized over the life of SL. I don't see why Lion wouldn't be the same.
Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:23 AM, John Panarese wrote: > The reality is, Safari is a problem in Lion with VoiceOver. From the > technical information I have read, this is more of a Safari issue than a > VoiceOver issue. > > However, with that said, it seems these issues vary with person to person. > A clean install is a good suggestion for sure. Also, perhaps trying the > nightly build of Web Kit to see if that fixes any issues. > > I do have the problem with the popup windows not being seen with VoiceOver > and seeing to lock it up. What I do in those instances is simply hit the > escape key before doing anything else. If you lose speech, command tab out > of Safari and try starting the VoiceOver Quick Start with > control-option-command-F8. When it starts, then hit the escape key and > VoiceOver should return. Command back to Safari and quickly hit the escape > key a few times and that should close the dialog box. > > Take Care > > John Panarese > jpanar...@gmail.com > > > > On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Cody, in some cases, to speak frankly, it is a matter of not being familiar >> with how to use Voice Over. Tim was not, I think, trying to insult you; >> and, nor am I. you're taking this rather too personally I fear. A >> practical suggestion, (and one which I myself might have to try soon) did >> you try to run a clean installation yet? I mean go in to the partitian, use >> the utilities to completely format the hard drive, (after backing your >> volume to an external drive of course) and then doing a fresh clean install? >> >> Your descriptions almost would lead me to suggest that this is what you >> might attempt next. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> >> Skype name: >> barefootedray >> >> Facebook: >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >> >> >> >> On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Cody wrote: >> >>> No, I disagree. There is no reason why voiceover should randomly decide to >>> stop functioning properly in safari, which it has done, and continues to do >>> for me, specifically, as said prior, about the web roter and quicknav, some >>> windows, like the "do you wish to send the form again?" box will pop up but >>> voiceover won't focus on it, and neither command accent or voiceover f2 >>> will allow me access to this dialog. Furthermore, I am unable to quit out >>> of safari while this window is open. I have run into issues with voiceover >>> in safari where I will go back to a previous webpage, and then again try to >>> use element navigation like jump to headings and such or links either by >>> pressing voiceover command and whatever letter or by using the up and down >>> arrow keys. This sometimes results in voiceover just reading the title of >>> the page, for no reason without performing the requested function it is >>> supposed to do. And you're going to tell me I don't know what I'm doing? It >>> may perhaps be a machine specific thing, but I am mostly doubting this. I >>> think it is a voiceover bug and/or a safari issue. Out of all the qwurks in >>> osx 10.7, safari is the worst. And, I am not the only person with safari >>> issues, I get busy busy busy as well, and snow leopard was far more useable >>> with safari. Other people on this list have had the same issues I'm having, >>> so it is clearly not me. And once again, it is not inteligence, because >>> I've gone to technical schooling for 2 years and have worked on many many >>> computers in many many different situations. So, let's disregard the >>> inteligence factor it clearly has no place in this conversation, which only >>> leaves 2 options. 1, it's machine specific, which if this is the case, >>> prove it. or 2, it's a bug, which needs to be addressed. These are the only >>> 2 options the bugs could realistically be. >>> >>> Cody >>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I won't take sides here, as I don't believe that it is a "sides" issue. >>>> Levels of comfort and ease of adaptability to the changes in look and feel >>>> of Lion vary with individuals and they should do whatever they feel so >>>> that their experience remains positive. >>>> >>>> You may find, though, that you will be unable to install SL on a Lion >>>> machine, as Apple often makes it more or less impossible to install a >>>> "lower" OS on a system once the latest OS has been released. I've got >>>> around it a few times with Net Restore images deployed from an OS X >>>> Server, but most people don't have access to this technology. >>>> >>>> Later... >>>> >>>> On 2011-11-10, at 12:31 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I want to start off this post by saying that I installed Lion the day it >>>>> came out on my Macbook Pro. Before doing so, I made a time machine backup >>>>> of my Snow Leopard system, and I can't tell you how glad I am that I did. >>>>> I tried Lion for a week, and found it to be terribly buggy and not nearly >>>>> as intuitive to use as SL. I restored my computer back to SL, and have >>>>> continued using it since. Recently, a friend of mine got a brand new iMac >>>>> with Lion installed. He has been calling me asking for help understanding >>>>> how to do some very simple things. using the mail program, entering a tun >>>>> of contacts into his address book, and using Safari to listen to a >>>>> webcast he particularly likes. While we handled mail without much >>>>> difficulty, I must say that Safari and Address Book have been riddled >>>>> with problems. Safari will often give us the busy signal, and the address >>>>> book kicks us out of the fields and deposits us in some sort of no mans >>>>> land where we must command tab back and forth to get free. He has updated >>>>> to Lion 10.7.2, and yet this hasn't really fixed the issues. The nonsense >>>>> with creating multiple desktops and such was a bit annoying too. I wonder >>>>> if maybe simple is better some times. It's sad, but as I purchased a snow >>>>> leopard full installation disc for him, I'm going to go down to his house >>>>> and put SL on his machine so that he can actually have a good experience >>>>> using his mac rather than the flawed and terribly buggy one he's been >>>>> having. That's not to say that SL doesn't have its problems, but they are >>>>> far fewer than Lion it seems. I hope that Apple will take a page from >>>>> Microsoft and move quickly on to the next OS as Microsoft did from Vista >>>>> to 7. I'm afraid Lion is a lemon. >>>>> I'm curious to know about your experiences with Lion versus Snow Leopard. >>>>> >>>>> Friendly, >>>>> Chris >>>>> -------------- >>>>> I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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